Did Goku lose faith in his sons and earth ?

[Monkey D Goku]

The last movie were Goku fights Hirudagarn, Goku destroys him with the Super Dragon Fist while he does he say " If I don't who will ? ".

Judging by that ending line do you guys think Goku lost faith in sons and friends. I mean throughout the series Goku must have realized his sons and friends were incompetent and could get nothing done.

-Goku needed to hold Gohan's hand in order for him to finally destroy Cell.
-Goku thought Gohan would be stronger in his 7 years absence but Vegeta tells him his actually gotten weaker.

-He sees Goten and Trunks as kids who could potentially surpass him and Vegeta and Gohan. ( Must have given up on Gohan)
Both Gohan and Vegeta fail against the Fat Buu Goku is only left with one option to let the two kids handle it surely they could pull it off with fusion.
Goku leaves the future of the universe in two childrens hands.( Two of the strongest mind you)
Watches them in otherworld struggling against Buu realizing shit these kids don't got it.

-Gohan attempts to reclaim his Father's favor by claiming he will defeat Buu with his new found unlocked ability. Goku takes a interest in him. Gohan is destroying Buu easily but again refuses to end his life quickly and draws out the battle. Buu absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks and now Gohan realizes his fucked. Goku finally realizes that both his sons are useless and made the situation worse.

- Goku ends up cleaning their mess. With help of Vegeta and Hercule.

I personally believe Goku lost faith in his sons.

[Kaboom]

Well, the "next generation" utterly failed in the clutch against Majin Boo, despite having the power and ability to take care of him. So I wouldn't be surprised if that changed Goku's mindset somewhat. Maybe a little further down the line, he saw Oob as a promising opportunity for a second shot at the whole "passing the torch" thing.

[Monkey D Goku]

Well, the "next generation" utterly failed in the clutch against Majin Boo, despite having the power and ability to take care of him. So I wouldn't be surprised if that changed Goku's mindset somewhat. Maybe a little further down the line, he saw Oob as a promising opportunity for a second shot at the whole "passing the torch" thing.

You bring up a good point maybe thats why he abandoned his family again to personally train Uub.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gohan, Goten, and Trunks failed to defeat Majin Boo, even though they were stronger than Goku & Majin Boo. So, I guess that Goku wanted to give a second shot with Oob & Pan in the end.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, the "next generation" utterly failed in the clutch against Majin Boo, despite having the power and ability to take care of him. So I wouldn't be surprised if that changed Goku's mindset somewhat. Maybe a little further down the line, he saw Oob as a promising opportunity for a second shot at the whole "passing the torch" thing.

Then Goku is an asshole, since not only was the whole Majin mess his fault, but he was completely helpless to do anything to Majin Buu, while his sons could. On top of that, had Goku not intervened, Gohan probably would've killed Buu. Heck, if Mr. Satan hadn't intervened, Gotenks would've.

[qjz123]

Who wouldn't loose faith I mean his sons had all the power they needed to defeat Buu and what happened? With Oob he saw someone who actually gives a crap about getting stronger.

[RandomGuy96]

Who wouldn't loose faith I mean his sons had all the power they needed to defeat Buu and what happened?.

Goku and Mr. Satan screwed it up?

[FoolsGil]

yeah. I can see that being the case.

[TheGmGoken]

Who wouldn't loose faith I mean his sons had all the power they needed to defeat Buu and what happened?

What exactly happen:
Trust immature Kids to be the saviors of Earth
Supreme Kai not telling Gohan about Boo's absorption(I MEAN COME ON! You think that's important)
Goku being the reason why Majin Boo was born in the first place.
Supeme Kai didn't let Vegeta blow up the ship to make Boo only 50% as strong
Goku being an asshole saying "Oh I could have beaten Boo earlier but I wanted someone alive to it." despite only knowing Goten for a half of hour and should know Gohan doesn't like fighting
Goku never playing baseball with Gohan

So it wasn't the Kids/teeangers fault. Boo Arc was entirely Supreme Kai and Goku's fault.

Goku destroys him with the Super Dragon Fist while he does he say " If I don't who will ? ".

Goku most likely realize he's the best fighting(Not power wise) Saiyan alive at this point. When everyone is sad and giving up. Goku brings hope.

-Goku needed to hold Gohan's hand in order for him to finally destroy Cell.

Gohan didn't like fighting, felt bad he killed his father, lost HALF of power, and lost hope. Not to mention he's a 9 year boy with the weight of the world on his shoulders for the first time.

-He sees Goten and Trunks as kids who could potentially surpass him and Vegeta and Gohan. ( Must have given up on Gohan)

They was already SSJ. So Goku is obviously going to capitalize on that.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Haha, Goku definitely lost faith in his sons . They may have power but they lack discipline.

[dbzfan7]

Of course Goku gave up on his sons. He finally realized "Well shit I should really stop forcing my sons to handle the world's problems that I seem to cause, I should do that to other strong guys."

[Kid Buu]

Who wouldn't loose faith I mean his sons had all the power they needed to defeat Buu and what happened?.

Goku and Mr. Satan screwed it up?

Well, it's not like Mr. Satan was doing these things intentionally. Unlike certain Saiyans...

[Jackal puFF]

Haha, well if that's the case. It makes a whole lot of sense why Goku would leave everyone to train with Uub.

He knew his sons wouldn't have much interest in training as much as the kid.

[Marco Polo]

Well, the "next generation" utterly failed in the clutch against Majin Boo, despite having the power and ability to take care of him. So I wouldn't be surprised if that changed Goku's mindset somewhat. Maybe a little further down the line, he saw Oob as a promising opportunity for a second shot at the whole "passing the torch" thing.

You bring up a good point maybe thats why he abandoned his family again to personally train Uub.

Goku didn't abandon anyone. He trains Uub but nothing suggests that he has abandoned his family or anyone. In fact, Neko Majin Z even suggests that Uub is actually trained near Mt Paozu.

Also, I've always found it incredibly biased that people think Gohan fucked up during the Perfect Cell fight but they don't think Goku fucked up during the Kid Buu fight. Newsflash: Vegeta had to hold Goku's hand in order for him to finally destroy Kid Buu. Otherwise Goku was as clueless as 9-year-old Gohan used to be except it was due to his lack of intelligence instead of emotional weakness.

[qjz123]

Well, the "next generation" utterly failed in the clutch against Majin Boo, despite having the power and ability to take care of him. So I wouldn't be surprised if that changed Goku's mindset somewhat. Maybe a little further down the line, he saw Oob as a promising opportunity for a second shot at the whole "passing the torch" thing.

You bring up a good point maybe thats why he abandoned his family again to personally train Uub.

Goku didn't abandon anyone. He trains Uub but nothing suggests that he has abandoned his family or anyone. In fact, Neko Majin Z even suggests that Uub is actually trained near Mt Paozu.

Also, I've always found it incredibly biased that people think Gohan fucked up during the Perfect Cell fight but they don't think Goku fucked up during the Kid Buu fight. Newsflash: Vegeta had to hold Goku's hand in order for him to finally destroy Kid Buu. Otherwise Goku was as clueless as 9-year-old Gohan used to be except it was due to his lack of intelligence instead of emotional weakness.

Gohan was the reason Goku died. Instead of finishing Cell off he dragged out the fight and Goku had to sacrifice himself to keep Cell from blowing everyone up. You would think after that Gohan would realize that even though he doesn't like fighting protecting the Earth was now his responsibility so he should continue to train hard. Instead we get a Gohan who was barely stronger than Goten at the start of the Buu saga.

[rereboy]

Who wouldn't loose faith I mean his sons had all the power they needed to defeat Buu and what happened?.

Goku and Mr. Satan screwed it up?

Mr. Satan had singlehandedly saved Earth by convincing Fat Buu not to kill anyone again. It was those guys with the riffles that screwed everything up and made Buu turn into Super Buu.

And Goku had nothing to do with why Gotenks and Gohan failed. Gotenks screwed around too much, even though he was actually stronger than Super Buu in his SSJ3, so his fusion ran out of time and he lost. Nothing whatsoever to do with Goku. And Gohan lost because he didn't stop the kids from fusing and he couldn't stop them from being absorbed along with Piccolo. On top of that, Gohan couldn't even prevent himself from being absorbed later on when Buu lost Gotenks' power, even though at that point Gohan was again stronger than Buu. None of that had nothing to do with Goku.

However, you are right in saying that Goku didn't do a better job than his kids. He couldn't prevent Vegeta from knocking him out, he chose not to try to kill Fat Buu and left him for the kids and he failed to kill Kid Buu on his own. But Goku wasn't responsible for why the kids lost.

[Dr. Machismo]

Goku being the reason why Majin Boo was born in the first place.

No. It was Vegeta's fault why Buu was released.

And whether or not Goku played baseball with Gohan is irrevelant.

[MDSTSSJ]

Goku being the reason why Majin Boo was born in the first place.

No. It was Vegeta's fault why Buu was released.

No!!! SSJ3 Kakarotto could have defeated Vegeta with one single punch and avoid the awakening of Majin Buu.

[Dr. Machismo]

Goku being the reason why Majin Boo was born in the first place.

No. It was Vegeta's fault why Buu was released.

No!!! SSJ3 Kakarotto could have defeated Vegeta with one single punch and avoid the awakening of Majin Buu.

He had no real way of knowing how strong Majin Buu would be.

[RandomGuy96]

Who wouldn't loose faith I mean his sons had all the power they needed to defeat Buu and what happened?.

Goku and Mr. Satan screwed it up?

Mr. Satan had singlehandedly saved Earth by convincing Fat Buu not to kill anyone again. It was those guys with the riffles that screwed everything up and made Buu turn into Super Buu.

And Goku had nothing to do with why Gotenks and Gohan failed. Gotenks screwed around too much, even though he was actually stronger than Super Buu in his SSJ3, so his fusion ran out of time and he lost. Nothing whatsoever to do with Goku. And Gohan lost because he didn't stop the kids from fusing and he couldn't stop them from being absorbed along with Piccolo. On top of that, Gohan couldn't even prevent himself from being absorbed later on when Buu lost Gotenks' power, even though at that point Gohan was again stronger than Buu. None of that had nothing to do with Goku.

However, you are right in saying that Goku didn't do a better job than his kids. He couldn't prevent Vegeta from knocking him out, he chose not to try to kill Fat Buu and left him for the kids and he failed to kill Kid Buu on his own. But Goku wasn't responsible for why the kids lost.

No; it was the whole emotional attachment Buu developed to him that made the birth of Super Buu possible. Without that, SS Gotenks probably would've killed Fat Buu (which seems to be what happened in Movie 12's universe). Or at least Goku could've if that became necessary.

Actually, it did. If Goku hadn't shown up and distracted Gohan with the earring, Dende would've healed Gohan, who would've been in top shape to take on Buutenks, whose time had just ran out. I find it unlikely he'd stand still and be unaware long enough to be absorbed in that case.