All of GT's oversights/inconsistencies/plotholes

[KentalSSJ6]

I personally see the difference by Super Vegito and SSJ4 Goku like the difference between SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan. Theres a noticeable difference, but not a large one. On a scall of 1 to 100, Id say Super Vegito is 100 and SSJ4 Goku would be 85.

[DBZ Mick]

I don't think you understand. The original dragon balls were a common legend on Earth. That is why Pilaf and the RRA knew of them. But the "ultimate" dragon balls nobody knew about. The original Namekian created them for himself and they were never used because they would destroy the planet so he put them away in the lookout. You can't tell me that anybody on Earth would know about those dragon balls when they weren't even used once and were never taken off the lookout. How would anybody know they were dragon balls without calling the dragon? And if they called the dragon the Earth would be gone? I'm sorry but it is plain illogical that Pilaf would know about those dragon balls if they were never used or moved from the lookout.

I'd say the story behind them is underdeveloped more than Pilaf knowing about them being a plothole. We don't even know if they were ever taken off the Palace. Maybe the Nameless Namekian created them on Earth first..

Well that is an inconsistency with the story and therefore a plot hole.

Fair enough, but it's something that doesn't really bother me. And I mentioned it before that the strength issues/whacked out logic on another thread are as a whole GT's biggest problem rather than plotholes with the narrative etc.

Edit- I also think I remember Goku being crushed by the Lood robot and could only lift it when he turned Super Saiyan. I again think it's more the show's inconsistency with Goku's child baseform rather than a plothole. We know he does seem to be somewhat weaker and can't teleport- Instant Transmission- in it.

[Hellspawn28]

Pilaf seems to know that Kami was a namekian when no one know about the Namekians until Nappa and Vegeta arrived on Earth.

[DBZ Mick]

I don't remember that being stated.

He does seem to know that God and Daimao were one.

[DannyDBZfanforever]

DBGT miss the magic touch of Akira Toriyama.Yeah, baby ... inconsistencies and plot holes are just side effects. DBGT was only done to appease the consumerist desires of Toei Animation.

DBGT = all about Money.

[goku the krump dancer]

At a certain point, it matters less what the motivations are, and more what we actually see.

And what we see is everybody getting fucked up no matter what they do, Vegeta claiming to be the protector of Earth and getting knocked down to look up at Goku's taint, then Goku punches the enemy across the planet.

Perhaps, but what we see right after the planet crossing punch, 17 recovers, shows no signs of pain and has a hideous grin on his face then proceeds to fire his finger bullet thingys..

Now one has to ask himself "Why the hell is he smiling?" its either because

A. He's crazy

B. It didn't hurt and he was just toying with Goku.

or C. All of the above.

I'm more inclined to go with B but as they say, "when in doubt the answer is always C".

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I personally see the difference by Super Vegito and SSJ4 Goku like the difference between SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan. Theres a noticeable difference, but not a large one. On a scall of 1 to 100, Id say Super Vegito is 100 and SSJ4 Goku would be 85.

Same here.

[Shineman]

I personally see the difference by Super Vegito and SSJ4 Goku like the difference between SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan. Theres a noticeable difference, but not a large one. On a scall of 1 to 100, Id say Super Vegito is 100 and SSJ4 Goku would be 85.

Personally, I considered SSj4 Goku stronger than the likes of Vegetto, I really don't care for what some secondary material says.

At a certain point, it matters less what the motivations are, and more what we actually see.

And what we see is everybody getting fucked up no matter what they do, Vegeta claiming to be the protector of Earth and getting knocked down to look up at Goku's taint, then Goku punches the enemy across the planet.

That's true, but when Super 17 stopped instantly after flying across the globe; he recovers, grins and start spamming flash bombs. From that, it's safe to assume that Super 17 is a crazy fucker whom likes to play around before getting serious. Goku never once hit Super 17 again after Super 17 starts beating the living Shenlong out of him.

[RandomGuy96]

Syn Shenron was the first to surpass a hypothetical SS3 Vegetto in GT. He tanked the x10 Kamehameha, which is waaaaaay over ten times stronger than a Super Vegetto-tier fighter. Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto would be weaker than that blast while Syn was waaaaaaaaaay stronger than it, strong enough that it didn't even leave a small scratch, like what happened when Nappa was hit by the Kikoho, even though the attack took him off guard. Logically SS4 Goku (Beyond Limits) would follow suit.

[dbzfan7]

I don't buy KKX10 multiplies BPx10. It's just a 10x the power of a Super Kamehameha. Goku felt pain going over the regular limit of his SSJ4 power, going over 10x that without any sort of strain is ridiculous.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't buy KKX10 multiplies BPx10. It's just a 10x the power of a Super Kamehameha.

Which is why I said that it's way stronger than Goku's BP x 10. It should be whatever the BP of a normal Kamehameha from a SS4 would be multiplied by ten.

[KentalSSJ6]

I really dont get the point of using the whole hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito argument. He doesn't officially exist outside of Multiverse so theres really no accurate way to determine how hed handle the GT Villains.

[dbzfan7]

I don't buy KKX10 multiplies BPx10. It's just a 10x the power of a Super Kamehameha.

Which is why I said that it's way stronger than Goku's BP x 10. It should be whatever the BP of a normal Kamehameha from a SS4 would be multiplied by ten.

I don't understand why it's way stronger than BPx10. Goku went Kaioken x20 and didn't get an extra boost with a kamehameha.

[RandomGuy96]

Because the move is called the x10 Kamehameha. As in, the Kamehameha times ten.

Kaio-Ken is completely different. Unless you believe that the x10 Kamehameha is really only SS4 Goku's BP x 10. Which is a possibility, but I don't think is the case.

[dbzfan7]

Because the move is called the x10 Kamehameha. As in, the Kamehameha times ten.

Kaio-Ken is completely different. Unless you believe that the x10 Kamehameha is really only SS4 Goku's BP x 10. Which is a possibility, but I don't think is the case.

It's ten times the power of a Kamehameha and it wouldn't multiply his BP over 10x. Goku was already ridiculously stronger than everyone else in just base, how does he get over 10 times stronger through a power up from much weaker people.

[RandomGuy96]

Because the move is called the x10 Kamehameha. As in, the Kamehameha times ten.

Kaio-Ken is completely different. Unless you believe that the x10 Kamehameha is really only SS4 Goku's BP x 10. Which is a possibility, but I don't think is the case.

It's ten times the power of a Kamehameha and it wouldn't multiply his BP over 10x. Goku was already ridiculously stronger than everyone else in just base, how does he get over 10 times stronger through a power up from much weaker people.

How did the energy of three half dead base saiyans make him stronger than Broly? How did energy from an injured Piccolo let him do a kaio-ken x100 and one-shot Lord Slug?

[dbzfan7]

Because the move is called the x10 Kamehameha. As in, the Kamehameha times ten.

Kaio-Ken is completely different. Unless you believe that the x10 Kamehameha is really only SS4 Goku's BP x 10. Which is a possibility, but I don't think is the case.

It's ten times the power of a Kamehameha and it wouldn't multiply his BP over 10x. Goku was already ridiculously stronger than everyone else in just base, how does he get over 10 times stronger through a power up from much weaker people.

How did the energy of three half dead base saiyans make him stronger than Broly? How did energy from an injured Piccolo let him do a kaio-ken x100 and one-shot Lord Slug?

I have a problem with those moments as well. They were stupid. but perhaps GT logic allowed Goku to get over 10 times stronger or some other bullshit.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I really dont get the point of using the whole hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito argument. He doesn't officially exist outside of Multiverse so theres really no accurate way to determine how hed handle the GT Villains.

Because we know how strong Super Vegetto is, and we know that Super Saiyan 3 makes him 8 times stronger.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't remember that being stated.

He does seem to know that God and Daimao were one.

Maybe it was a dub line, but I hardly remember since I haven't watch GT in the past decade.

[Nazi Cola]

Because it was stated that Birsu > Vegetto and Whis > Birsu. Baby can't be above Vegetto(Super Bebi that is) because SSJ4 is perhaps weaker than Vegetto(Guidebook statement which was made around Shenlong arc I think)

I'm still waiting on a translation of the second volume of the Perfect Files to actually serve judgment on this tidbit other than it doesn't seem to align with what Toei clearly intended with the statements they put into the show.