The problem with identifying SSJ2

[MasterVampire]

Ok so the only people who can transform into a Super Saiyan 2 are Goku, Gohan and Vegeta (and Gotenks?)

When Goku is using this form against Vegeta or Kid Buu and pretty easy to tell because his hair changes and you can see the difference with or without lightning.

However with Adult Gohan and Vegeta it's a lot harder to tell and with the lightning missing it can be misconstrued for Super Saiyan 1.

I know Gohan vs Dabura is highly debated whether he was SSJ1 or SSJ2 because there was no lightning but you would think he would use his most powerfull form.
And then with Vegeta vs Kid Buu again there is no lightning but he should be using his most powerfull form.

Also there is Adult Gohan vs Brolly and then in the newest DBZ movie Battle Of Gods it's still not clearly shown if Vegeta is SSJ2 when he fights Bills because there is no lightning around him.

The lack of lightning is a editing thing or a mistake because they forgot.
So my main question is do you think if Gohan and Vegeta had more different hair like Goku then it would be easier to confirm what transformation they are using which would also mean the lack of lightning wouldn't matter so much to identify it?

[Dr. Machismo]

The only time it's hard to tell whether someone's an SS2 in the manga is when Gohan fought Dabura and Majin Buu. Other than that, it's easy to tell when someone's SS2.

It's just the anime that's really inconsistent.

[sintzu]

The only time it's hard to tell whether someone's an SS2 in the manga is when Gohan fought Dabura and Majin Buu.

he was ssj not ssj2 cause he had no lighting plus his aura was a ssj aura

[Dr. Machismo]

The only time it's hard to tell whether someone's an SS2 in the manga is when Gohan fought Dabura and Majin Buu.

he was ssj not ssj2 cause he had no lighting plus his aura was a ssj aura

It's still debatable. Why wouldn't Gohan turn Super Saiyan 2 in those battles?

[sintzu]

The only time it's hard to tell whether someone's an SS2 in the manga is when Gohan fought Dabura and Majin Buu.

he was ssj not ssj2 cause he had no lighting plus his aura was a ssj aura

It's still debatable.

Why wouldn't Gohan turn Super Saiyan 2 in those battles?

it being debatable is like debting if vegeta was a ssj2 or ssj3 when he fought kid buu

when he powered up to fight majin buu he said he wasn't as angry as he was when he fought cell so that could be the reason why he could't go ssj2 at that time plus his energy was stolen before those fights and

[TheGmGoken]

The an issue in the manga. In the anime if you notice for Vegeta in the middle of his hair. The line becomes thicker. That's the only difference. HOWEVER for Adult Gohan I just look as his facial features.

[Tenshin_Saiyan]

The only time it's hard to tell whether someone's an SS2 in the manga is when Gohan fought Dabura and Majin Buu.

he was ssj not ssj2 cause he had no lighting plus his aura was a ssj aura

It's still debatable. Why wouldn't Gohan turn Super Saiyan 2 in those battles?

I thinks it's was because Gohan had his power absorbed by Yamu and Spopovitch, and Kibito couldn't restore it at maximum. IMO, Gohan had no power enough to turn Super Saiyan 2 when he fought Dabura and Majin Buu.

[dbzfan7]

It's not hard to tell for Vegeta in the manga. To be honest I'm wondering if Gohan really was an SSJ2 at all after he transformed at the TB. The aura's are pretty distinguishable. Though it makes no sense why he wouldn't be even though the design for Gohan looks more like SSJ.

[TheGmGoken]

Wait why did Toei have no sparks? Budget?

[TheMightyOzaru]

There shouldn't be a problem identifying Ssj2 in the manga. It's not just lightning. The aura, hair, and face are different too.

[TheGmGoken]

There shouldn't be a problem identifying Ssj2 in the manga. It's not just lightning. The aura, hair, and face are different too.

You'll be shocked. There is a reason why there is a SSJ2 Gohan or SSJ 1 Gohan vs Dabura debate.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I find that debate to be pointless. It's clear as day that Gohan's just a Ssj.

[TheGmGoken]

I find that debate to be pointless. It's clear as day that Gohan's just a Ssj.

Here is the reaction you'll get from saying that:
Gohan was SSJ2 cause why would't he use it? It's his strongest form
Gohan didn't have sparks because they wanted to show how weaker he has become compared to Goku and Vegeta. The list goes on.

But yea I agree with you. But I would't be shocked if this turns into a Gohan debate

[mAcChaos]

I find that debate to be pointless. It's clear as day that Gohan's just a Ssj.

Here is the reaction you'll get from saying that:
Gohan was SSJ2 cause why would't he use it? It's his strongest form
Gohan didn't have sparks because they wanted to show how weaker he has become compared to Goku and Vegeta. The list goes on.

But yea I agree with you. But I would't be shocked if this turns into a Gohan debate

Goku had to train to use SSJ1 on command. Gohan never trained his SSJ2.

[TheGmGoken]

I find that debate to be pointless. It's clear as day that Gohan's just a Ssj.

Here is the reaction you'll get from saying that:
Gohan was SSJ2 cause why would't he use it? It's his strongest form
Gohan didn't have sparks because they wanted to show how weaker he has become compared to Goku and Vegeta. The list goes on.

But yea I agree with you. But I would't be shocked if this turns into a Gohan debate

Goku had to train to use SSJ1 on command. Gohan never trained his SSJ2.

Tell that to everyone who thinks he's a SSJ2.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I find that debate to be pointless. It's clear as day that Gohan's just a Ssj.

Here is the reaction you'll get from saying that:
Gohan was SSJ2 cause why would't he use it? It's his strongest form
Gohan didn't have sparks because they wanted to show how weaker he has become compared to Goku and Vegeta. The list goes on.

But yea I agree with you. But I would't be shocked if this turns into a Gohan debate

I then counter that by saying Gohan was rusty and needed time to transform into a SSJ2 at the Budokai. Dabura isn't gonna stand there and wait for him to power up. I would also counter that second point by saying Gohan's SSJ2 form had an established look at the Budokai. Gohan lacked all the features of a SSJ2 during that fight. If he was just missing lightning and had all the other features, yeah I would buy the argument, but it's completely mute since lightning isn't the only factor. Also when people bring up the Daizenshuu in regards to power scaling, I merely point out that the Daizenshuu is not without it's flaws. Especially the Daizenshuu 7.

[Zephyr]

I then counter that by saying Gohan was rusty and needed time to transform into a SSJ2 at the Budokai.

To play Devil's Advocate here, wasn't that just filler?

[Kamiccolo9]

I then counter that by saying Gohan was rusty and needed time to transform into a SSJ2 at the Budokai.

To play Devil's Advocate here, wasn't that just filler?

No, the audience starts complaining because he's taking too long, even in the manga.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I then counter that by saying Gohan was rusty and needed time to transform into a SSJ2 at the Budokai.

To play Devil's Advocate here, wasn't that just filler?

Nope.

[Zephyr]

No, the audience starts complaining because he's taking too long, even in the manga.

Ah, excellent. Good to know.