Is Dragon Ball/Z an objectively bad series?

[thatdbzguy]

I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees that DB/Z is not without flaws, especially due to Toriyama's style of making up things as he goes. However, when looking at the series as a whole, would you consider it an objectively bad anime/manga?

[hleV]

The manga no. The anime... quite.

[sintzu]

when looking at the series as a whole, would you consider it an objectively bad anime/manga?

no not at all and to me it's the best out there

[DBZ Mick]

Definitely not either way.

I think all the positives outweigh the negatives.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Pretty much what Mick said. Dragon Ball is far from perfect - no series is perfect anyway - but if I thought it was more crap than good, then I wouldn't love it as much as I do or be here.

[DoomieDoomie911]

Well, I guess if we thought the series was bad, we wouldn't be visiting this site. I love the series, it got me into anime and manga as a whole. It has some negatives, but the positives far outweigh them.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't see how you can objectively decide whether DBZ is bad or not. These "flaws" are usually opinions. Some people hate Battle of Gods, yet it's not objectively bad.

[Looneygamemaster]

I can say without hesitation that Dragon Ball Z at least is not a good TV show. But it's not bad either. It's...decent. Just decent.

It has possibly the worst pacing of any Shonen anime adaptation, and its animation, especially starting with the Super Saiyan Goku vs Freeza fight, is lucky if it can be just "good." And the material it's adapting has its own problems--most of it is far too serious for Toriyama to handle. But the lingering charm and strength of his characters manages to make the show watchable, at least to me.

[The Monkey King]

Not at all.

[InfernalVegito]

I don't see how you can objectively decide whether DBZ is bad or not. These "flaws" are usually opinions.

This.
What is objectively deemed as good or bad is still just a an agreed upon consesus of a myriad of opinions.

[Hellspawn28]

Critically speaking Dragon Ball up to the Freeza saga was great. I think by the time when the Cell saga happen, I feel like AT's magic was wearing off. The Buu saga is a mess looking back on it since the whole saga feels rush. The fusions and transformations feel like they were just throw in so quickly and came off nothing more then a stupid toy gimmick to sell more action figures. While the fight scenes are fun, AT could have handle the saga much better.

I think the DBZ anime is worst then the manga because the placing is awful and some of the filler scenes are totally pointless like Goku falling off from Snake Way. The show contradict its self much worst then the manga does. For example, Dr. Flappe was shown to be the creator of #8 when it turns out that Gero was the real creator.

[BlackCatScott]

No, absolutely not. Nothings perfect - everything has its flaws and Dragonball has it's fair share - but it's still a great series. That goes for both the manga and the anime.

We love Dragonball, that's why we're all here!

[Dalesy]

No, I actually think it's quite good. Even when Toriyama's writing really began to suffer, the series still had its redeeming moments. Not to mention that it's a fantastically heartwarming story. It's certainly not the pinnacle of manga or anime, but it's a damn good series that deserves a lot of credit.

[Dr. Machismo]

Something being good or bad is completely subjective.

[TheGmGoken]

Not at all

[Insertclevername]

No. To be objectively "bad", the series would have poor quality animation, story telling, characters, art, writing and so on and so forth.

[Dr. Machismo]

No. To be objectively "bad", the series would have poor quality animation, story telling, characters, art, writing and so on and so forth.

completely subjective

[Hellspawn28]

There has been bad shows with good animation just like there are bad movies with good special effects like Transformers and 2012 for example.

[Kamiccolo9]

No. To be objectively "bad", the series would have poor quality animation, story telling, characters, art, writing and so on and so forth.

I'm actually agreeing with Dr. Machismo here. Who determines what's good and bad? You may think that a certain character is poorly designed, while I may strongly disagree, or something of that nature.

I personally don't think you can declare any kind of artistic product to be "objectively" good or bad. There's way to much room for personal preference.

[Dalesy]

No. To be objectively "bad", the series would have poor quality animation, story telling, characters, art, writing and so on and so forth.

I'm actually agreeing with Dr. Machismo here. Who determines what's good and bad? You may think that a certain character is poorly designed, while I may strongly disagree, or something of that nature.

I personally don't think you can declare any kind of artistic product to be "objectively" good or bad. There's way to much room for personal preference.

Objective quality can be determined through the general consensus of those who understand the art form, and are capable of separating personal taste from their assessments.

For instance, I don't like Shingeki no Kyojin, but I will admit that it is an original, quality series. It does things right, it has believable characters, a compelling story, good acting, good music, and a setting and art style that does the rest of the elements justice. I don't care for the series because it doesn't suit my personal tastes, but I can recognize that its positive traits far outweigh the negative.

You aggregate reviews in this style, that take the series into account beyond one's own personal tastes, and you have the series' objective quality.