Do you come up with your own names to call stuff from series

[Dr. Machismo]

It's not a fact that they're legitimate fannames. It's an opinion.

Also, I did not come up with my names just because they sounded cool. I got "Warlord Fist" off of World King/Lord Fist (Kaio-Ken's translation), but in all honesty, "World Lord Fist" sounds odd. "Warlord Fist" sounded more appropriate as it relates more to battle and is more accessible. "Sparking Bullet" was off of Spinning Ki Bullet (Sokidan's translation), but I thought Spinning Ki Bullet sounded too simple. "Sparking Bullet" sounds sufficiently more complex and still fits with its attack. I came up with "pure" Gohan for what people consider to be Gohan's "ultimate" form as when Gohan uses that form, he's not hiding any of his power. In a way, it's the "true" and completely unadulterated Gohan, so "pure" fits. "Super Great Ape" fits Golden Great Ape as that form is very similar to the Super Saiyan form.

Legitimate as in they have some grounding not that they're 'correct', that's obviously an opinion.

The way you just explained yourself actually makes your terms sound much less absurd. They sound just as viable as Kaboom's when you present it like that - sure, there's parts I don't quite agree with but that's the level of detail I think is really needed when talking about a subject like this. Prior to that, the way it was presented just reeked of 'I like these because they're cool'.

I already gave those explanations in the thread already.

[Ajay]

I already gave those explanations in the thread already.

Yes, two pages in.

Prior to that, all that was said was:

'sounds so much better'
'sounds cooler'
'is a better term for'

...and then a small portion about Funi-dub titles.

That tells me jack shit about your decision making and makes the thread seem like it's based on nothing.

Anyway, we killed this topic and this is just veering off into nonsense so I'll leave it at that.

[Cold Skin]

As far as I'm concerned, I almost exclusively use names that are official in some capacity, often transcripting/converting from the final French manga translation now being published through the Kanzenban (includes the Movie Anime Comics by the same translator), or the previous "90% final translation" which the Kanzenban are based on despite having 10% of it updated/corrected.

If they're not available yet (upcoming Movie Comics for example), I'll use any term that is generally viewed as valid by the community here and that I see around and end up naturally using.

Regarding terms I come up with, the only one I can think of right now is that I prefer "Incomplete Super Saiyan" or "Unachieved Super Saiyan" to "False Super Saiyan", simply because I consider the transformation is not "false" but only "incomplete". I understand that the word "false" may be used to convey that meaning, but the ambiguity just rubs me the wrong way. Some new fan would not necessarily understand what that state is if you just say "False Super Saiyan", but something in the line of "Incomplete/Unachieved Super Saiyan" is self-explanatory and I think it covers it all and you don't have to explain anything beyond the name itself (in-universe explanation of course, because the out-of-universe initial plan was not to have any "incomplete" form as far as I remember, it was supposed to be the real Super Saiyan form).

But it is something I use as my own personnal way to express myself, not something I expect anyone to use since apart from blatant inventions like "Sangoku", "Little Heart", the H-word or that famous math guy thought to be Goku's twin, any version of the various names won't rub me the wrong way.

[Dr. Machismo]

I also think Destructo Disc was a stupid name. "Destructo"? That's not even a word

[KentalSSJ6]

I also think Destructo Disc was a stupid name. "Destructo"? That's not even a word

Really? If your gonna call made up names stupid, I cant wait to hear what you think of the majority of names and terms in this show. Go on, astound me.

[Kamiccolo9]

If so, state them.

Yeah, I like to call the Kaio-Ken "Warlord Fist" (the translated name is "World King Fist", but I think "Warlord Fist" sounds so much better) and Gohan's Ultimate form his "pure" form. Spirit Ball sounds cooler as "Sparking Bullet" too. And "Super Great Ape" is a better term for Golden Great Ape.

"Fist of the King (or Lord) of World's," is a much closer adaptation than "Warlord Fist," and IMO, sounds much better while preserving the meaning behind the name. Kaio isn't a warlord.

[Dr. Machismo]

Really? If your gonna call made up names stupid, I cant wait to hear what you think of the majority of names and terms in this show. Go on, astound me.

I don't think any attacks had made up names in the series.

[TheGmGoken]

"Fist of the King (or Lord) of World's," is a much closer adaptation than "Warlord Fist," and IMO, sounds much better while preserving the meaning behind the name. Kaio isn't a warlord.

Well according to definition. A warlord is a person with power who has both military and civil, control over a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority. The term can also mean one who espouses the ideal that war is necessary, and has the means and authority to engage in war. Today, the word has a strong connotation that the person exercises far more power than his official title or rank legitimately permits. So I don't think WarLord fits to who ever made this thread.

Off Topic: Okay I haven't seen Yugioh in a long time and I'm sorry but who is that in your picture again? It's been bothering me.

[Dr. Machismo]

I don't see why King Kai has to be a warlord for the attack to be "Warlord Fist".

I actually think it would be better if Goku never said Kaio-ken when using it. He should just say what he's multiplying his strength by

[Kamiccolo9]

"Fist of the King (or Lord) of World's," is a much closer adaptation than "Warlord Fist," and IMO, sounds much better while preserving the meaning behind the name. Kaio isn't a warlord.

Well according to definition. A warlord is a person with power who has both military and civil, control over a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority. The term can also mean one who espouses the ideal that war is necessary, and has the means and authority to engage in war. Today, the word has a strong connotation that the person exercises far more power than his official title or rank legitimately permits. So I don't think WarLord fits to who ever made this thread.

Off Topic: Okay I haven't seen Yugioh in a long time and I'm sorry but who is that in your picture again? It's been bothering me.

Pretty much. And Kaio doesn't really fit that definition at all.

It's Yami Marik. He's called Melvin in Yugioh Abridged, if you watch that.

[Dr. Machismo]

Actually, King Kai does fit the definition of a warlord. A warlord is a being with both military and civil control over a subnational area. King Kai is the leader of the South universe, so that could be considered his subnational area. King Kai could also be considered a military commander, as his disciples could be considered his soldiers. And it's possible that King Kai has participated in wars. The conflict with the Bojack could be considered a war.

[Kamiccolo9]

Actually, King Kai does fit the definition of a warlord. A warlord is a being with both military and civil control over a subnational area. King Kai is the leader of the South universe, so that could be considered his subnational area. King Kai could also be considered a military commander, as his disciples could be considered his soldiers. And it's possible that King Kai has participated in wars. The conflict with the Bojack could be considered a war.

Kaio is not a military or civil leader. He doesn't "rule" anything, he just watches over his portion of the universe, which is the North Galaxy, not the South. His students are not soldiers; they are not part of any military hierarchy, and they have not been part of any wars.

[Dr. Machismo]

Actually, King Kai does fit the definition of a warlord. A warlord is a being with both military and civil control over a subnational area. King Kai is the leader of the South universe, so that could be considered his subnational area. King Kai could also be considered a military commander, as his disciples could be considered his soldiers. And it's possible that King Kai has participated in wars. The conflict with the Bojack could be considered a war.

Kaio is not a military or civil leader. He doesn't "rule" anything, he just watches over his portion of the universe, which is the North Galaxy, not the South. His students are not soldiers; they are not part of any military hierarchy, and they have not been part of any wars.

King Kai is the lord of worlds, so yes, he is a ruler. His students can be considered soldiers as they're fighters, which is synonymous with soldier. You don't have to be part of a military hierarchy to be a soldier, and the conflicts against the Saiyans, Frieza, Cell and Majin Buu can be considered wars.

[Kamiccolo9]

Actually, King Kai does fit the definition of a warlord. A warlord is a being with both military and civil control over a subnational area. King Kai is the leader of the South universe, so that could be considered his subnational area. King Kai could also be considered a military commander, as his disciples could be considered his soldiers. And it's possible that King Kai has participated in wars. The conflict with the Bojack could be considered a war.

Kaio is not a military or civil leader. He doesn't "rule" anything, he just watches over his portion of the universe, which is the North Galaxy, not the South. His students are not soldiers; they are not part of any military hierarchy, and they have not been part of any wars.

King Kai is the lord of worlds, so yes, he is a ruler. His students can be considered soldiers as they're fighters, which is synonymous with soldier. You don't have to be part of a military hierarchy to be a soldier, and the conflicts against the Saiyans, Freeza, Cell and Majin Buu can be considered wars.

Being a soldier is not the same as being a fighter. Not at all.

And no, those are not wars.

And being a lord just means he has authority. Look at the House of Lords in Britain. They don't rule anything. Show me a statement of Kaio actually ruling something.

[Dr. Machismo]

Being a soldier is not the same as being a fighter. Not at all.

And no, those are not wars.

And being a lord just means he has authority. Look at the House of Lords in Britain. They don't rule anything. Show me a statement of Kaio actually ruling something.

A fighter is very similar to a soldier in many ways. They're synonymous. The Z Fighters could be considered an army. The warriors trained by King Kai could be considered an army.

And those could be considered wars. A war a state of conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state. The conflict with the Saiyans could be considered war, as it was a conflict between different groups (Earthlings and Saiyans). The conflict with Frieza can also be considered a war, as it was a conflict between different groups (Namekians and Frieza's army/Z Fighters and Frieza's army).

[Kamiccolo9]

Being a soldier is not the same as being a fighter. Not at all.

And no, those are not wars.

And being a lord just means he has authority. Look at the House of Lords in Britain. They don't rule anything. Show me a statement of Kaio actually ruling something.

A fighter is very similar to a soldier in many ways. They're synonymous. The Z Fighters could be considered an army. The warriors trained by King Kai could be considered an army.

And those could be considered wars. A war a state of conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state. The conflict with the Saiyans could be considered war, as it was a conflict between different groups (Earthlings and Saiyans). The conflict with Freeza can also be considered a war, as it was a conflict between different groups (Namekians and Freeza's army/Z Fighters and Freeza's army).

Soldiers (at least the ones that participate in battle) are fighters. That does not make all fighters soldiers. I don't see how you seem to be unable to make that distinction.

The fights with Freeza, Cell, and Buu are not wars. They are brawls. With the incredibly wrong logic you seem to be using, I could start a war by going down the street and punching a guy who is a different ethnicity than me.

Just like there is a difference between a soldier and a fighter, there is a difference between a fight and a war. If you fail to recognize this, then I am not going to bother wasting my time here, like I seem to do with the vast majority of your posts.

[TheGmGoken]

Soldiers (at least the ones that participate in battle) are fighters. That does not make all fighters soldiers. I don't see how you seem to be unable to make that distinction.

Soldiers are fighters. But fighters aren't soldiers. Just like how all bugs all insects but not all insects are bugs. I think you're trying to say something like that correct?

[Kamiccolo9]

Soldiers (at least the ones that participate in battle) are fighters. That does not make all fighters soldiers. I don't see how you seem to be unable to make that distinction.

Soldiers are fighters. But fighters aren't soldiers. Just like how all bugs all insects but not all insects are bugs. I think you're trying to say something like that correct?

Exactly.
For example, I train in kickboxing. I have been in fights. I am a fighter. But I am not a soldier.

Same with Goku and Co. They are fighters, but they are part of no armies. They are not soldiers.

[Dr. Machismo]

Soldiers (at least the ones that participate in battle) are fighters. That does not make all fighters soldiers. I don't see how you seem to be unable to make that distinction.

The fights with Freeza, Cell, and Buu are not wars. They are brawls. With the incredibly wrong logic you seem to be using, I could start a war by going down the street and punching a guy who is a different ethnicity than me.

Just like there is a difference between a soldier and a fighter, there is a difference between a fight and a war. If you fail to recognize this, then I am not going to bother wasting my time here, like I seem to do with the vast majority of your posts.

You should go look up the definition of these terms.

Definition of soldier:

1. One who serves in an army.
2. An enlisted person or a noncommissioned officer.
3. An active, loyal, or militant follower of an organization.

By these definitions, the Z Fighters can be considered soldiers as they're part of an army. They're also part of an organization, the Z Fighters. Definitions of army:

a. A large body of people organized and trained for land warfare.
b. often Army The entire military land forces of a country.
c. A tactical and administrative military unit consisting of a headquarters, two or more corps, and auxiliary forces.
2. A large group of people organized for a specific cause: the construction army that built the Panama Canal.
3. A multitude; a host: An army of waiters served at the banquet. See Synonyms at multitude.

Those fights you've mentioned can be considered wars. Definition of war:

a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

Learn your definitions.

[Kamiccolo9]

Cool. Kanzenshuu's purpose is enlightening people about Dragon Ball. Since we all agreed to do so when joining, or enlisting, I guess that makes us all soldiers for that cause. And since we are arguing now, I guess we are at war, huh? After all, we are arming ourselves with various definitions and arguments.

Use some common sense when throwing out definitions, please.