First reactions to SSJ?

[Toparaman]

Dude. What he said about being weary about gay people is definitely not good, and a terrible thing to say in public (Heck, I'm Christian, and even I think he's being stupid and backwards), but he has a right to express his opinion. You can't ban someone just because you don't like something they said.

Actually, that depends on the forum. Many forums (e.g. NeoGAF) will definitely ban you for saying you don't like gay men. It all comes down to the forum rules you agree to when you register.

But I think he's okay here. In any case, I've heard interpretations that SSJ turns Saiya-jins from asian (black hair, black eyes, off-white skin) to white (blonde hair, blue eyes, lighter skin), but never straight to gay! You would definitely need to have a preoccupation with homosexuality to think that.

[Dalesy]

If that's the case then I really hope that's a bannable offense. That kind of bigoted, ignorant and backwards thinking has no place in any part of the world. Absolutely disgusting.

Dude. What he said about being weary about gay people is definitely not good, and a terrible thing to say in public (Heck, I'm Christian, and even I think he's being stupid and backwards), but he has a right to express his opinion. You can't ban someone just because you don't like something they said.

Right, but chances are that the forum has a wealth of gay members who would feel pretty alienated by a post like that. It's not just a matter of opinion, it's a matter of people from different backgrounds feeling accepted and comfortable on the site.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I remember the debuts of Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan 3, and all I can remember is that I was a big fan of them (and still am). They both seemed very cool & surprised me a lot.

[Ajay]

Right, but chances are that the forum has a wealth of gay members who would feel pretty alienated by a post like that. It's not just a matter of opinion, it's a matter of people from different backgrounds feeling accepted and comfortable on the site.

Yup, pretty much. 'I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.' - that is, until that opinion directly condemns a group for something as natural as their sexuality, religion or race.

I'm pretty stunned at the lack of response here and have no wish to be a part of a community that just accepts that.

[Gyt Kaliba]

If it makes you feel any better Ajay, in my case it's not that I 'accepted' it, but I deemed such a response not even worth my time. If he actually thinks that way in such a 'lolz' way, then no amount of complaining by me was gonna change his mind, so rather than blow my top and say things more likely to get me banned than him sadly...well, better biting my tongue, I decided.

As long as I'm here now though, I will go ahead and say that I've never understood the whole 'gay men eww, lesbians yay!' mentality some have. It's the same damn thing, you don't get to be that picky and choosy with your bigotry. Sheesh.

[90sDBZ]

Wow this sure has gotten off-topic. All I'll say is that if it isn't possible to ban someone for saying stuff like that then it ought to be. I'd imagine you'd have to be quite conscious of that sort of thing to interpret DBZ in that way.

Anyway I've always thought the whole look of Super Saiyan was the definition of badass.

[Dr. Machismo]

All TheGmGoken did was tell us what his first reaction to the Super Saiyan was, which was what the topic was for. He did mention that he was homophobic, but only as a side note. He's not actually bashing homosexuals, so there should not be an issue.

[rereboy]

I wasn't spoiled. I watched Dragon Ball from the first episode all the way to Dragon Ball GT when it was on TV in my country.

Honestly, I thought it was ugly, but that was mainly because of the animation of those episodes. Goku's hair looked way too huge and its design wasn't that good-looking. But, when the android arc started, I loved it because the animation and design were much better.

I've since read the manga and even though there are some differences in the art style, the first time SSJ appears in the manga, it still looks way better than it did in the anime when it first appeared.

[jjgp1112]

I didn't start watching Z until the middle of the Cell games, so when I went back and watched the Frieza saga it didn't amaze me as much.

Oh, you meant just seeing it for the first time, not just the transformation scene? Well when I first stumbled upon the Cell Games episode, I was already familiar enough with DBZ (I had a DBZ bookbag in third grade that my bought me), and when I saw everybody with blonde hair and blue eyes I was like, "Wait...isn't their hair supposed to be black?" And that's actually why I kept watching that episode, hoping to find out why. And then I got interested in the show.

[TheGmGoken]

Please take the time to read each respond FULLY. As I'm honestly pissed about how everyone is reacting

Are you sure you're not a closet case? I can't imagine any straight person thinking this way.

Regardless, you should really get over your homophobia.

Really...it's like you didn't read my comment. Isn't this about when you FIRST saw SSJ. I said that my first reaction was like this. Then I said

Yes this is true. I'm ashamed at the fact I used to think this,

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Dude. What he said about being weary about gay people is definitely not good, and a terrible thing to say in public (Heck, I'm Christian, and even I think he's being stupid and backwards), but he has a right to express his opinion. You can't ban someone just because you don't like something they said.

This has NOTHING to do with the topic at all. My reaction when I was freaking 5 or 6. How am I'm being stupid when I clearly said

Yes this is true. I'm ashamed at the fact I used to think this,

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...Sounds like you just made this up now.

I mean, I have no idea when you got into the series, but as a 9 year old or even a 12 year old, nothing of this nature ever even occurred to me.

Let me guess. I made it up because it's different from "OH SHIT!" "WTF!" "HELLL YEA!". I've been into the series since I was a baby. While watching other anime or manga. Then once I was old enough I began watching the episodes in order. Got to SSJ. And I don't like it at FIRST.

Well we learned TheGmGoken has some very interesting views on... well a lot of things. All I will say is that to see those connotations in a cartoon, you have to really be looking for them. I guess believing you when you say you're ashamed to have had those thoughts (views?/reactions?/mindset?) should calm people down..

Thank you. I don't understand why everyone getting off topic just to bash my little statement about me when I was younger. I did in fact said I was ASHAMED and should had applied I'm not as homophobic or not even homophobic no more. Everyone just overrated to what I felt when I was younger. It's not a big deal. It was an opinion that I didn't feel now.

but never straight to gay! You would definitely need to have a preoccupation with homosexuality to think that.

I was YOUNG. Why can't people understand that. Just like how anyone who grew up on Funimation dub learns to accept that Funi > ALL. I grew up with people who hated Gay men but support lesbians. I DON'T think that no more. Is that hard to understand? When you grow up in an environment it affects you. Cant believe this site is going off topic just because my first reaction was different than most if not all. What was I suppose to do? Lie about my first reaction? Just say the good old "EPIC!", "I'm in AWE", "HOLY @#$%" or "I was spoiled by the opening but I thought it was cool". I stated my reaction then explained why I felt that way. Not attacking people who chose to live their life the way they want to. It was just a note to explain why I felt this why when I was YOUNG. DID ANYONE read my ending to my post AT ALL.

Yes this is true. I'm ashamed at the fact I used to think this,

I'm pretty stunned at the lack of response here and have no wish to be a part of a community that just accepts that.

Because how I felt when I was young? Really. I'm 17 years old now. That was over 10 - 13 years ago. Which I lived somewhere in a house hold with people who supported lesbians and not gay men. We had 3 lesbians in the house who didn't support gay men. DON'T FUCKING ASK WHY. That would be beyond off topic. EVERYONE misunderstood my post and didn't even read fully.

If he actually thinks that way in such a 'lolz' way, then no amount of complaining by me was gonna change his mind, so rather than blow my top and say things more likely to get me banned than him sadly...well, better biting my tongue, I decided.

Why should I get banned? For following a topic? The topic states

First reactions to SSJ?

which I DID. My first reaction was a LONG TIME ago and my post said I was ASHAMED. So what's the issue? I should be banned because when I was little and INFLUENCED I thought a certain way? I don't even feel the same way. So what the hell is the "lolz" way? I have 5 gay MALE friends with ONE of my best friends being gay himself. So stop being ignorant and rude and take the time to READ my comment before bashing me. Like seriously y'all all got off topic for a MINOR issue. My comment was about my first reactions. Not about me being HOMOPHOBIC when I'm clearly not.

All I'll say is that if it isn't possible to ban someone for saying stuff like that then it ought to be. I'd imagine you'd have to be quite conscious of that sort of thing to interpret DBZ in that way.

Let's all pretend I'm "Homophobic". Why should I be ban for an opinion? I broke NO RULES and I did nothing to hurt or harm you. Not being offensive and saying "GAY MEN EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW". It's just an opinion. Now I'm NOT HOMOPHOBIC no more. I haven't been since I was around 8ish. It's like NONE of you read my comment fully. With me being influenced to have an opinion like that and being YOUNG. It's not that hard to think I would had thought that. It's not a big fucking issue as everyone said as if you read my comment you would know why. But seriously none of y'all didn't. I should be banned because of an opinion 10 -13 years ago. That seems fair. Pssh.

Okay everyone read this part FULLY(Since y'all didn't the last time). DON'T talk about why my family influenced me like that. Don't talk about my experience why I was YOUNGER. Don't talk about me being homophobic when I was younger and clearly said I don't think that way. Stop being ignorant and READ every comment FULLY. Here I will post this in BIG BOLD LETTERS

I'm ashamed at the fact I used to think this,

I really did not expect KANZENSHUU to act this way. I expected everyone to have read my comment FULLY. IT WASN'T even ON TOPIC to bash me like that. It was ON TOPIC for me to tell my story just like anyone else. I'm not going to lie just because it wasn't going to be popular or because it's not the same opinions as everyone else. Seriously. I can't believe how much overreacting I saw. I'm disappointed in ALL of you.

[Naughty Kinto Un]

Still not a fan of Gay Men. But it's much less homophobic now.

That comment doesn't do you any favors. Neither does the "fan of lesbians, 50% homophobic" joke, which is not only blatantly homophobic but sexist as well.

I'm surprised by how much GM gets away with on here. I thought he would've been long banned by now for his constant rudeness and disrespect toward other members, let alone his atrocious spelling and grammar. Sorry for being off-topic but this really has me baffled. Whatever. I won't pursue this any further.

[TheGmGoken]

That comment doesn't do you any favors. Neither does the "fan of lesbians, 50% homophobic" joke, which is not only blatantly homophobic but sexist as well.

By saying I'm not a fan of "Gay men(WHICH IS GREATLY OFF TOPIC)" is more or less means I'm not against it but don't agree with it. But I don't chose how someone can live their lives. Just like how I'm not a fan of SSJ2 for Full Saiyans. I wasn't being sexist. I said I was 50% because the other half of "Homosexuals" and not the other. Which I thought was 50%. Since it's not. I'm sorry. It not a joke. Worded badly. Most likely.

I'm surprised by how much GM gets away with on here.

I got warnings and this is EXTREMELY off topic.

let alone his atrocious spelling and grammar

ENGLISH IS NOT MY NATIVE Speaking, typing, or writing language. Not my fault.

Seriously. Just drop the whole me being homophobic in the PAST. It was just a explanation on why I felt that way when I was younger. It was my reaction. It wasn't popular and it's not common. Please just drop it. It wasn't a big deal and y'all overreacting

[Toparaman]

We did read your whole comment, and you happen to be leaving out the most offensive part:

I don't like Gay MEN..have nothing against lesbians. So you can see I'm 50% homophobic

Which is clearly present tense. And when you said " I'm ashamed at the fact I used to think this," it seemed to be in reference to the fact that you used to think SSJ looked gay.

Anyway, it could just be a misunderstanding due to language issues, and it wasn't my intention to anger you. Truthfully, I was more humored than offended, so thank you for sharing.

[TheGmGoken]

Which is clearly present tense. And when you said " I'm ashamed at the fact I used to think this," it seemed to be in reference to the fact that you used to think SSJ looked gay.

My english is horrible. As some people will say. When I was telling the background story I was telling it as if we was in that time period. Like we did a flashback time travel. Then once it was over. I said I was ashamed. I was saying I'm ashamed that I use to think like this . When could be how I thought as as a whole. So it meant both of them(SSJ being gay looking and me not like gays).

Anyway, it could just be a misunderstanding due to language issues, and it wasn't my intention to anger you. Truthfully, I was more humored than offended, so thank you for sharing.

Finally some good feedback. People must understand that since this is a english website only. There will be some issues with what some people meant. I don't get why people was offended. Even if I was "Homophobic" it's just an opinion. I didn't bash no one. Just given a side note explanation on why I thought it looked gay .

P.S.

We did read your whole comment, and you happen to be leaving out the most offensive part:

You should say "I". Cause telling by what some of these people wrote. They didn't lol.

[Toparaman]

Even if I was "Homophobic" it's just an opinion.

Well, sure, but opinions influence behavior. And homophobia influences hurtful (if not hateful) behavior.

[TheGmGoken]

Even if I was "Homophobic" it's just an opinion.

Well, sure, but opinions influence behavior. And homophobia influences hurtful (if not hateful) behavior.

True. But the point was I didn't bash anyone lol. Nor did I break any rules. Yet I should be banned for something that happen before I joined the site . Btw is this just for SSJ1 or the other forms as well?

[Fionordequester]

By saying I'm not a fan of "Gay men(WHICH IS GREATLY OFF TOPIC)" is more or less means I'm not against it but don't agree with it. But I don't chose how someone can live their lives. Just like how I'm not a fan of SSJ2 for Full Saiyans. I wasn't being sexist. I said I was 50% because the other half of "Homosexuals" and not the other. Which I thought was 50%. Since it's not. I'm sorry. It not a joke. Worded badly. Most likely.

Really? Is English your first language? If so, sorry about that. You're English is good enough otherwise (IMO), that it didn't seem that way.

If it helps, I didn't see you as a hateful individual so much as I saw a dude who didn't put enough critical thinking into his opinions.

[TheGmGoken]

Really? Is English your first language? If so, sorry about that. You're English is good enough otherwise (IMO), that it didn't seem that way.

English is my 3rd language. Korean is my first and Spanish is my second.

If it helps, I didn't see you as a hateful individual so much as I saw a dude who didn't put enough critical thinking into his opinions.

I was 5 or 6. I didn't really care for critical thinking. Most of y'all most likely misunderstand my post due to my english. I was saying in a nutshell. I was influenced into hating Gay men when I was young. Which cause me to think SSJ was gay and DB promoted gay men. Which then I said now I'm ashamed I thought like that. As I have no issue with homosexuals right now. Just not a fan of Gay men. Meaning I accept it but I don't agree with it. It's confusing. Like I have gay friends but...you know. Damn can't find the right word.

[Fionordequester]

As I have no issue with homosexuals right now. Just not a fan of Gay men. Meaning I accept it but I don't agree with it. It's confusing. Like I have gay friends but...you know. Damn can't find the right word.

Well, I think I understand now. Seems to me it's the act that makes you uncomfortable, not the people themselves. Is that right?

EDIT: And jeez, you know an impressive amount of languages!

[TheGmGoken]

Well, I think I understand now. Seems to me it's the act that makes you uncomfortable, not the people themselves. Is that right?

Yea. Like when I see men dress as women or act like a diva. Sometimes I'm just like "wow" I know you're gay and all but really. Like I know some of it is just an act(High pitch voices, screaming, or hand moments) because it's waay over the top. I hate when they act more girly or diva than an actually girl and an actually Diva.