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RandomGuy96 wrote:Refused to finish off Buuhan, even though he could easily wish everyone back later.
I can't blame anybody for not wanting to kill Piccolo.
Also Piccolo has the Dragon Radar.
Let himself get absorbed, resulting in him "dying" since he was too stupid to know that you shouldn't let a magical gum monster you know nothing about eat you.
Gotenks and Piccolo are both fusions. Neither broke up inside Buu. Vegetto can't be blamed for the Author's asspulls.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Refused to finish off Buuhan, even though he could easily wish everyone back later.
I can't blame anybody for not wanting to kill Piccolo.
Also Piccolo has the Dragon Radar.
Let himself get absorbed, resulting in him "dying" since he was too stupid to know that you shouldn't let a magical gum monster you know nothing about eat you.
Gotenks and Piccolo are both fusions. Neither broke up inside Buu. Vegetto can't be blamed for the Author's asspulls.
Bulma can't make another one?
He's seen Buu just randomly pull new powers out of nowhere before (hey I can regenerate, hey I can tear through dimensions, hey I can absorb things, hey I can (anime only) destroy the universe by screaming), and knows that he's been fused by a sacred KAIOSHIN method. He should know that Buu's too unpredictable for any of this to be a good idea. Hell, he wouldn't even know what would happen if he let Buu eat him. Yet he goes through with it anyway and "dies" for his troubles, with the day only being saved by last second PIS (and then lost by last second PIS again).
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
And after he survived being turned into candy (with, y'know...no organs), I think it's reasonable to assume that nothing Buu could do could hurt him.
Oh right, forgot about that one. Don't the Namekians have all the balls assembled anyway though? He can just IT to Namek and get things done that way.
Not really. In fact, him surviving with no organs (which is a way bigger ass pull than anything Buu ever did, btw) would probably be more of a reason to not let Buu eat him. Because Buu is made of magic, and his abilities don't seem to follow conventional logic.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I think he might have, even just going by the manga. Which I find depressing as fuck, and really un-Dragon Ball to be honest. As pointed out, though, he's not really justified if he did, because he screwed up just as badly if not worse.
Gotenks "Oh shit, I miscalculated my time to beat Boo by a few seconds"
Gohan "Oh shit, Boo had an ability that Kaioshin fuckwit didn't mention"
Goku "Oh shit, I let this guy live to satisfy my torch-passing boner. Oh shit, I threw the potara at my near-sighted son instead of just IT'ing to him. Oh shit, I crushed the potara. Oh shit, I can't beat this guy without gathering my ki. Oh shit, I can't gather my ki. Oh shit, I can't throw the Spirit Bomb myself."
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
^You forgot "Oh shit, I won't just blow up Babidi's ship so Buu gets released at half power. Oh shit, I'll fight Vegeta so Buu can get enough energy to come out."
[i]"I have yet to show you, young warrior, what I'm truly capable of."[/i] - Cell
mAcChaos wrote:^You forgot "Oh shit, I won't just blow up Babidi's ship so Buu gets released at half power. Oh shit, I'll fight Vegeta so Buu can get enough energy to come out."
There's also "Oh shit I released Boo, that's okay I'll just say the living should handle it even though I as dead guy caused this problem."
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Not sure if this was said but "OH shit I could had killed Fat Boo at anytime. But I didn't feel like it. Cause of that the world blew up and now I'll admit that I could have prevented it"
OR
"I grabbed Satan and Dende instead of my sons, Piccolo, and Trunks even though I could wish back Dende with the Namekian Dragonballs".
TheGmGoken wrote:Not sure if this was said but "OH shit I could had killed Fat Boo at anytime. But I didn't feel like it. Cause of that the world blew up and now I'll admit that I could have prevented it"
OR
"I grabbed Satan and Dende instead of my sons, Piccolo, and Trunks even though I could wish back Dende with the Namekian Dragonballs".
I can't fault Goku for saving Dende. That was the right call in my book. There was no time to think about it.
[i]"I have yet to show you, young warrior, what I'm truly capable of."[/i] - Cell
Bitch can fly. I mean he could have flown to at least Trunks and flew away. That would create more pressure as the planet is blowing up. Making things more tense.
It's ultimately Vegeta's fault that Boo was revived. He allowed himself to become Majin, which was a selfish thing that compromised everyone. You can sort of excuse everyone else as poor decision making, but that's how life is.
* Goku doesn't just go SSJ3 when fighting Majin Vegeta because he knows how fragil Vegeta is and how important it is to him to be equal or better than Goku. It would destroy him and Goku knows he isn't REALLY evil anymore. So he spares him the embarassment that would hurt his pride. Goku probably, by this point, half expects Boo would pose no real threat considering his track record.
* Supreme Kai is severely misinformed about the Z senshi's powers and abilities. His plan was stupid, but how was he to know about it? He is supreme kai, but he is not terribly concerned with every nook and cranny of the universe.
* Gotenks was a kid. Goku put faith in him to do the right thing, well... the kids didn't.
* Gohan DOES wait too long to do anything but Goten and Trunks get in the way and then even if he could destroy Boo he'd probably worry he'd be killing the boys.
and so on and so forth... it was just a lot of bad things happening. You could say it's nobody's fault. But if you have to blame someone, it's mostly Vegeta for compromising everything and aiding Babidi.
