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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:57 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Okay in Saiyan Arc. A small gap can mean a good fight. Seeing as how good Krillin did against Nappa.
Kuririn never fought with Nappa directly. All he did was landing a few hits on Nappa while he was attacking to someone else. Nappa then one-shot him with a ki blast, and as we saw with Tenshinhan, Nappa could literally cut Kuririn in pieces with his fists.
TheGmGoken wrote:Cell Arc. Small gaps can lead into even battles but with one fighter having a slight lead. Boo Arc. The power levels are all over the place
We don't know exactly how big the gaps are in those arcs, since all we know are the Super Saiyan multipliers.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:00 pm
Kuririn never fought with Nappa directly. All he did was landing a few hits on Nappa while he was attacking to someone else. Nappa then one-shot him with a ki blast, and as we saw with Tenshinhan, Nappa could literally cut Kuririn in pieces with his fists.
Krillin sneaked attack Nappa and then got some hits in after Nappa began fighting him. So I'll say it was a good fight. Piccolo could have also done some good had he not have bad luck Tuesday.
We don't know exactly how big the gaps are in those arcs, since all we know are the Super Saiyan multipliers.
Character statements. Piccolo vs 17(Find it hard to think they were 100% even) and Goku vs Cell(Suppressed) are examples. Vegeta vs 18(Despite toying around) is another one.
Boo Arc - (OUT of universe...I'm sorry) pretty much whoever the main character at the time
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:08 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Kuririn never fought with Nappa directly. All he did was landing a few hits on Nappa while he was attacking to someone else. Nappa then one-shot him with a ki blast, and as we saw with Tenshinhan, Nappa could literally cut Kuririn in pieces with his fists.
Krillin sneaked attack Nappa and then got some hits in after Nappa began fighting him. So I'll say it was a good fight. Piccolo could have also done some good had he not have bad luck Tuesday.
TheGmGoken wrote:Character statements. Piccolo vs 17(Find it hard to think they were 100% even) and Goku vs Cell(Suppressed) are examples. Vegeta vs 18(Despite toying around) is another one.
Vegeta vs #18 doesn't count because #18 wasn't serious. Cell probably used exactly as much power as Goku had so that they can have an even fight. And I don't find hard to believe that #17 & Piccolo were almost equals, like #16 & Cell were also almost equals. In fact, that's exactly what their fight tells us.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:09 pm
Cell probably used exactly as much power as Goku had so that they can have an even fight. And I don't find hard to believe that #17 & Piccolo were almost equals, like #16 & Cell were also almost equals. In fact, that's exactly what their fight tells us.
I just said suppressed Cell vs Goku was a even fight. I find it hard to believe that they was 100% equal. 100 vs 100. I have more or less Piccolo 100 and 17 99.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:12 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:I have more or less Piccolo 100 and 17 99.
Which even by the Freeza arc standards, they are even.
TheGmGoken wrote:Krillin sneaked attack Nappa and then got some hits in after Nappa began fighting him. So I'll say it was a good fight.
When did Nappa begun fighting Kuririn in the manga?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:17 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:I have more or less Piccolo 100 and 17 99.
Which even by the Freeza arc standards, they are even.
TheGmGoken wrote:Krillin sneaked attack Nappa and then got some hits in after Nappa began fighting him. So I'll say it was a good fight.
When did Nappa begun fighting Kuririn in the manga?
By Freeza arc logic Piccolo destroys 17.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:22 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:By Freeza arc logic Piccolo destroys 17.
No, he doesn't. It should be 100 vs 90 for Piccolo to destroy #17.
Kuririn realized that Nappa would hit him before Nappa even landed from the hits Kuririn gave him while he was off-guard.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:25 pm
No, he doesn't. It should be 100 vs 90 for Piccolo to destroy #17.
Zarbon vs Vegeta round 2 is an example. Rikum vs Vegeta is another one.
Kuririn realized that Nappa would hit him before Nappa even landed from the hits Kuririn gave him while he was off-guard.
Krillin dodged when Nappa got back and punched him.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:37 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Zarbon vs Vegeta round 2 is an example. Rikum vs Vegeta is another one.
We didn't know the fighters' battle powers in neither of those battles.
TheGmGoken wrote:Krillin dodged when Nappa got back and punched him.
Kuririn had already realized that Nappa was ready to hit him. See the "!!!" in Kuririn's panel.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:41 pm
We didn't know the fighters' battle powers in neither of those battles.
We do for Vegeta in Rkium battle. And we should be able to guess Rikum's due to Nail.
Kuririn had already realized that Nappa was ready to hit him. See the "!!!" in Kuririn's panel.
That's cause Nappa stopped himself and was ready to attack. Hence why I said he was dodging.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:51 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:We do for Vegeta in Rkium battle. And we should be able to guess Rikum's due to Nail.
We can't guess neither transformed Zarbon's, nor Reacoom's exact battle power.
Still, it's barely a fight. Kuririn dodged one attack, only to get hit by a ki blast that left him unable to move.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:52 pm
We can't guess neither transformed Zarbon's, nor Reacoom's exact battle power.
WHo said we can guess Zarbon? I said we can guess Rikum's due to Nail.
Still, it's barely a fight. Kuririn dodged one attack, only to get hit by a ki blast that left him unable to move.
Stilll a fight.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:53 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:I said we can guess Rikum's due to Nail.
And still, we can't guess his
exact battle power. So, your example doesn't work.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:57 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:I said we can guess Rikum's due to Nail.
And still, we can't guess his
exact battle power. So, your example doesn't work.
I obviously didn't mean exact. So my point still works.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:00 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:I obviously didn't mean exact. So my point still works.
No, it doesn't. There is a very wide range of Reacoom's possible battle power, so we can't tell if his & Vegeta's (30.000) are very close or not.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:50 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:I obviously didn't mean exact. So my point still works.
No, it doesn't. There is a very wide range of Reacoom's possible battle power, so we can't tell if his & Vegeta's (30.000) are very close or not.
Vegeta over 30k
Rikum under 40k
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:04 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta over 30k
Rikum under 40k
Reacoom is somewhere between 30.000 & 60.000, while Vegeta is close to 30.000.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:03 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta over 30k
Rikum under 40k
Reacoom is somewhere between 30.000 & 60.000, while Vegeta is close to 30.000.
Sorry for late respond. Father was using PC for Fantasy Football
Reacoom is somewhere between 30.000 & 60.000, while Vegeta is close to 30.000.
Which is a guess. Making my point stand
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:15 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta over 30k
Rikum under 40k
Reacoom is somewhere between 30.000 & 60.000, while Vegeta is close to 30.000.
Sorry for late respond. Father was using PC for Fantasy Football
Reacoom is somewhere between 30.000 & 60.000, while Vegeta is close to 30.000.
Which is a guess. Making my point stand
It's not a guess. We know that Vegeta was around 30 thousand, and Ginyu guessed that Goku was at 60 thousand due to his beating Recoome. So Recoome has to be between 30 and 60 thousand.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:18 pm
It's not a guess. We know that Vegeta was around 30 thousand, and Ginyu guessed that Goku was at 60 thousand due to his beating Recoome. So Recoome has to be between 30 and 60 thousand.
I thought Ginyu said something along the lines of being around 60,000 to be all the Ginyu Force like Goku did(4v1)
