If Krillin can manage to hit 17 with the rock he wins. He somehow found the most powerful ordinary rock in the Universe.RandomGuy96 wrote:Filler Krillin vs Android 17
Krillin gets a rock and can take 17 by surprise.
Filler Yamcha is wanked as fuck, but judging by Tenshinhan's fight with Trunks in Movie 13 and Olibu's fight with suppressed Pikkon, he's still only high base saiyan tier. He gets annihilated by either of them. The only possible diversion from the manga (assuming the highest reasonable estimate for Yamcha) is that Freeza would have to power up past his initial final form level to beat him.Filler Yamcha vs Freeza/Cell (pick forms) Yamcha is also free from the universal law of he has to lose because he is Yamcha
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Filler Yamcha beat Oiblu, who was on par with the same Pikkon who one-shot Cell. Filler Yamcha wins this.dbzfan7 wrote:If Krillin can manage to hit 17 with the rock he wins. He somehow found the most powerful ordinary rock in the Universe.RandomGuy96 wrote:Filler Krillin vs Android 17
Krillin gets a rock and can take 17 by surprise.
Filler Yamcha vs Freeza/Cell (pick forms) Yamcha is also free from the universal law of he has to lose because he is Yamcha
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Anime Goku held back the entire Cell Games, dude held back on purpose and wanted to die so he can leave his family and train in the afterlife.RandomGuy96 wrote:I doubt it was the same one. Paikuhan was probably suppressed, as there's no way the weights are THAT big of a limiter. That's never been the case. Unless you think base Goku > Super Perfect Cell, but even by filler logic, that's not the case.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
I honestly think that happen in the animeKid Buu wrote:Anime Goku held back the entire Cell Games, dude held back on purpose and wanted to die so he can leave his family and train in the afterlife.RandomGuy96 wrote:I doubt it was the same one. Paikuhan was probably suppressed, as there's no way the weights are THAT big of a limiter. That's never been the case. Unless you think base Goku > Super Perfect Cell, but even by filler logic, that's not the case.
Yeah, I went there.
Yeah no.Kid Buu wrote:Anime Goku held back the entire Cell Games, dude held back on purpose and wanted to die so he can leave his family and train in the afterlife.RandomGuy96 wrote:I doubt it was the same one. Paikuhan was probably suppressed, as there's no way the weights are THAT big of a limiter. That's never been the case. Unless you think base Goku > Super Perfect Cell, but even by filler logic, that's not the case.
Yeah, I went there.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Name two skillful moves by Gohan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:He was trained by Goku and Piccolo, he has more skill than Yamcha.Rocketman wrote:Gohan has no skill. Yamcha wins.
"Assistance from Daddy" is a handy technique.Rocketman wrote:Name two skillful moves by Gohan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:He was trained by Goku and Piccolo, he has more skill than Yamcha.Rocketman wrote:Gohan has no skill. Yamcha wins.
WARG CHAERG HEADFIRST doesn't count.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
I'm talking general fighting technique. His martial arts skills are vastly superior to Yamcha's.Rocketman wrote:Name two skillful moves by Gohan.TheMightyOzaru wrote:He was trained by Goku and Piccolo, he has more skill than Yamcha.Rocketman wrote:Gohan has no skill. Yamcha wins.
WARG CHAERG HEADFIRST doesn't count.
I doubt it. Gohan is just much more powerful. A good example is #17 or #18. They are ordinary human who got turned into androids. Surely their fighting technique is much inferior to any member of the gang, yet no one could touch them, not even the super saiyans. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised at all that Yamcha actually has more fighting skill than Gohan, but is simply way too outclassed in power, strength and speed.TheMightyOzaru wrote: I'm talking general fighting technique. His martial arts skills are vastly superior to Yamcha's.
The dude gave Goku trouble in the ROSAT.... I think his martial arts skill is definitely superior.rereboy wrote:I doubt it. Gohan is just much more powerful. A good example is #17 or #18. They are ordinary human who got turned into androids. Surely their fighting technique is much inferior to any member of the gang, yet no one could touch them, not even the super saiyans. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised at all that Yamcha actually has more fighting skill than Gohan, but is simply way too outclassed in power, strength and speed.TheMightyOzaru wrote: I'm talking general fighting technique. His martial arts skills are vastly superior to Yamcha's.
Vegeta wouldn't make a ton of progress, he hit a limit in the Buu arc. If he could break that limit and make normal gains, he'd still lose.PerfectFreeza wrote:Base Gotenks(Pre-Rosat) vs. SSJ Vegeta(Post-1st Rosat).
Who wins?Gotenks doesn't have the time limit on him.
Pretty much all of Gohan's interactions with Goku in the Rosat (in terms of fighting) are filler.TheMightyOzaru wrote:The dude gave Goku trouble in the ROSAT.... I think his martial arts skill is definitely superior.rereboy wrote:I doubt it. Gohan is just much more powerful. A good example is #17 or #18. They are ordinary human who got turned into androids. Surely their fighting technique is much inferior to any member of the gang, yet no one could touch them, not even the super saiyans. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised at all that Yamcha actually has more fighting skill than Gohan, but is simply way too outclassed in power, strength and speed.TheMightyOzaru wrote: I'm talking general fighting technique. His martial arts skills are vastly superior to Yamcha's.
Gotenks one shots.PerfectFreeza wrote:Base Gotenks(Pre-Rosat) vs. SSJ Vegeta(Post-1st Rosat).
Who wins?Gotenks doesn't have the time limit on him.
Piccolo wins. I have him at around 65% SS Goku.Zombie wrote:Piccolo (Post RoSaT) vs 40% MSSJ Goku.
Gotenks wins, easily.PerfectFreeza wrote:Base Gotenks(Pre-Rosat) vs. SSJ Vegeta(Post-1st Rosat).
Who wins?Gotenks doesn't have the time limit on him.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
In theory, Gotenks would turn Vegeta inside out and throw him into the sun.PerfectFreeza wrote:Base Gotenks(Pre-Rosat) vs. SSJ Vegeta(Post-1st Rosat).
Who wins?Gotenks doesn't have the time limit on him.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Says who? Why wouldn't he have access to his own attack?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Vegeta can't use Final Flash as a Super Saiyan. At least at that point of the story.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
