Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:53 pm

Malik_DBNA wrote:Not neglecting him. Kaiosama is training him
What can King Kai teach Uub when King Kai taught Goku who taught Uub?
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:57 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:
Malik_DBNA wrote:Not neglecting him. Kaiosama is training him
What can King Kai teach Uub when King Kai teached Goku who teached Uub?
Have you read the whole DBNA manga?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:01 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Have you read the whole DBNA manga?
I haven't read the pages explaning Aladjinn's backstory (although I read Malik's condensed explanation), but I've read much of everything else. What else am I missing?

King Kai taught Goku everything he had to teach and Goku taught Uub. What else can King Kai teach Uub?
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by hulkty » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:13 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
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So how can Old Kai know of Boos origins if he wasn't around at the time?
Multiple ways...
He could have simply known it as history.
Or maybe the witch that he fused with when he was younger knew about it. The 2 fused personalities memories join as one.
Do we know they were on the Kaioshin planet when they fused?
It's pretty obvious...and look at the scenery. :/

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:16 pm

hulkty wrote: It's pretty obvious...and look at the scenery. :/
The manga doesn't show the Kaioshin planet
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:27 pm

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hulkty wrote: It's pretty obvious...and look at the scenery. :/
The manga doesn't show the Kaioshin planet
Yes it does ...
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:31 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:
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hulkty wrote:It's pretty obvious...and look at the scenery. :/
The manga doesn't show the Kaioshin planet
Yes it does ...
No it doesn't:

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:32 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:King Kai taught Goku everything he had to teach and Goku taught Uub. What else can King Kai teach Uub?
Read these pages:
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:40 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote: No it doesn't:

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Gohan was taken to the Supreme Kai Planet, Goku later went there and the final battle against Kid Buu was there.

This Spirit Burst seems unnecessary. There's nothing King Kai can teach Uub in the afterlife that he doesn't already know
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by mAcChaos » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:41 pm

The one thing I noticed about this comic, the dialogue has a very "Marvel" feel to it. The way the characters go on monologues in every panel. In Toriyama's work it's very quick, dialogue wise.

But anyway I like it and want to see more.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:43 pm

mAcChaos wrote:The one thing I noticed about this comic, the dialogue has a very "Marvel" feel to it. The way the characters go on monologues in every panel. In Toriyama's work it's very quick, dialogue wise.

But anyway I like it and want to see more.
Since I'm a huge Marvel fan maybe that is what attracted me to the manga

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:47 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:This Spirit Burst seems unnecessary. There's nothing King Kai can teach Uub in the afterlife that he doesn't already know
Except for the Spirit Burst...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:50 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote: Gohan was taken to the Supreme Kai Planet, Goku later went there and the final battle against Kid Buu was there.
Perhaps you should read the conversations a bit closer before posting? The comment was made in regards to the Kaioshin Realm not being show in the manga while the Elder Kaioshin fuses with the witch. Which it doesn't, as I just showed.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:02 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote: No it doesn't:

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That's the scan right there. Didn't want to use a bootleg one so thanks.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:28 pm

mAcChaos wrote:The one thing I noticed about this comic, the dialogue has a very "Marvel" feel to it. The way the characters go on monologues in every panel. In Toriyama's work it's very quick, dialogue wise.

But anyway I like it and want to see more.
Its not exactly every panel lol

Before I was drawn to dragon ball, I was an avid Marvel Comics reader. I have a lot of inspiration from both, as well as subtle Marvel "Easter Eggs" throughout DBNA. My writing style is a mixture between expositional Marvel writing and the Toriyama style. I figure I can do more and better explain things with slightly longer expositions than brief 2 panel explanations that cause my readers to come back and ask questions. Also, I'm not exactly on any kind of deadline like Toriyama-sensei was.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:29 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Dr. Machismo wrote:This Spirit Burst seems unnecessary. There's nothing King Kai can teach Uub in the afterlife that he doesn't already know
Except for the Spirit Burst...

But that's really unnecessary. And isn't it just an inferior Kaio-ken?
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:33 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Dr. Machismo wrote:This Spirit Burst seems unnecessary. There's nothing King Kai can teach Uub in the afterlife that he doesn't already know
Except for the Spirit Burst...

But that's really unnecessary. And isn't it just an inferior Kaio-ken?
Technically yes, but these pages haven't been revamped yet.

A couple of my co-writers felt that the plausibility of Kuririn being equal to a Super Saiyan, even with a technique like the Kaio-Ken or Spirit Burst, is really straining the limits. While the Spirit Burst itself will remain largely unchanged (though it is being changed slightly), Kuririn won't be equal to a Super Saiyan (even one of Goten's level). I may get into Kaio-sama teaching Oob how to better use his magical abilities he received from Majin Boo or something along those lines.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:44 pm

Malik_DBNA wrote: A couple of my co-writers felt that the plausibility of Kuririn being equal to a Super Saiyan, even with a technique like the Kaio-Ken or Spirit Burst, is really straining the limits. While the Spirit Burst itself will remain largely unchanged (though it is being changed slightly), Kuririn won't be equal to a Super Saiyan (even one of Goten's level). I may get into Kaio-sama teaching Oob how to better use his magical abilities he received from Majin Boo or something along those lines.

You're not the only person writing this? And what do you mean by "revamped"?

If the Spirit Burst is an inferior Kaio-ken, what's the point of Uub learning it? Shouldn't Uub already know the Kaio-ken?
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:58 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:
Malik_DBNA wrote: A couple of my co-writers felt that the plausibility of Kuririn being equal to a Super Saiyan, even with a technique like the Kaio-Ken or Spirit Burst, is really straining the limits. While the Spirit Burst itself will remain largely unchanged (though it is being changed slightly), Kuririn won't be equal to a Super Saiyan (even one of Goten's level). I may get into Kaio-sama teaching Oob how to better use his magical abilities he received from Majin Boo or something along those lines.

You're not the only person writing this? And what do you mean by "revamped"?

If the Spirit Burst is an inferior Kaio-ken, what's the point of Uub learning it? Shouldn't Uub already know the Kaio-ken?
I have people who assist me in the 'skeleton', or basic ideas and help me keep the doujinshi as close to canon as possible. I'm the main writer, but if I'm unsure of something, I run it by these guys and see what they think, and make changes accordingly.

I frequently go back and re-draw or re-write certain panels if a specific detail is missing, the art is janky and needs updated, or something in the story gets contradicted and needs to be changed. For example, here's almost all the redraws from Chapter 6:
The way I saw it, the Kaio-Ken is a dangerous technique because if not controlled properly, it could kill the user. Goku hasn't used it since he became a Super Saiyan due to the damage it causes him and I don't think he'd be irresponsible enough to teach such a damaging technique to a pupil of his. Hell, Kaio-Sama didn't even teach it to Piccolo, Tenshinhan or Yamcha. IMO, Goku wouldn't have taught it to Oob. If he had, I think he would have used it by now (especially in the fight against Baby)

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:13 pm

No. Goku stopped using the Kaio-ken because it was useless compared to the Super Saiyan. We also don't know if Piccolo, Yamcha and Tien know it.

And another thing, GT is full of inconsistencies and plotholes, so it's no surprise that Uub didn't use it against Baby.
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