Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:18 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:No. Goku stopped using the Kaio-ken because it was useless compared to the Super Saiyan. We also don't know if Piccolo, Yamcha and Tenshinhan know it.

And another thing, GT is full of inconsistencies and plotholes, so it's no surprise that Uub didn't use it against Baby.
Going simply by the manga and what was seen in GT (barring the edits I made to GT), in the DBNA Timeline it will be assumed that neither Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, or Oob know the Kaio-Ken.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:24 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:We also don't know if Piccolo, Yamcha and Tenshinhan know it.
If they could use it, then why didn't Piccolo use it against Freeza & the Artificial Humans? And why didn't Yamcha & Tenshinhan use it against the Cell Jr.s?
Dr. Machismo wrote:And another thing, GT is full of inconsistencies and plotholes, so it's no surprise that Uub didn't use it against Baby.
Or, he hasn't learned it.

In GT, Oob doesn't seem to know Kaio-ken, Genki Dama, and Shunkan Ido. In DBO though, the Saiyan players can use them (except Genki Dama, which the developers have shown us that it will be added in the future, and Kaio-ken can be used by all races), so maybe it hints that Oob learned them & passed these techniques to them.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:26 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If they could use it, then why didn't Piccolo use it against Freeza & the Artificial Humans? And why didn't Yamcha & Tenshinhan use it against the Cell Jr.s?
Piccolo may have decided that the form wasn't for him. Yamcha and Tien's fights against the Cell Juniors were also very vague.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:27 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If they could use it, then why didn't Piccolo use it against Freeza & the Artificial Humans? And why didn't Yamcha & Tenshinhan use it against the Cell Jr.s?
Piccolo may have decided that the form wasn't for him. Yamcha and Tenshinhan's fights against the Cell Juniors were also very vague.
If by vague you mean a total curb stomp XD

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Dr. Machismo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:31 pm

We didn't really see how Yamcha and Tien fought the Cell Juniors, so it was vague
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:37 pm

I disagree, especially for Piccolo. Piccolo stayed with Kaio for only a few days, there is no time for him to learn the Kaio-ken. Kaio also said that the Kaio-ken was an extremely difficult technique, so difficult that even he, its creator, couldn't perfect. Goku perfected the technique because he was a fighting genius, and he stayed longer than Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. So, I don't believe they had the time to learn the technique.

And also, I think that if Toriyama believed that they learned it, we would have seen them doing it.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by mAcChaos » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:09 pm

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mAcChaos wrote:The one thing I noticed about this comic, the dialogue has a very "Marvel" feel to it. The way the characters go on monologues in every panel. In Toriyama's work it's very quick, dialogue wise.

But anyway I like it and want to see more.
Its not exactly every panel lol

Before I was drawn to dragon ball, I was an avid Marvel Comics reader. I have a lot of inspiration from both, as well as subtle Marvel "Easter Eggs" throughout DBNA. My writing style is a mixture between expositional Marvel writing and the Toriyama style. I figure I can do more and better explain things with slightly longer expositions than brief 2 panel explanations that cause my readers to come back and ask questions. Also, I'm not exactly on any kind of deadline like Toriyama-sensei was.
I personally like the way Toriyama does it better. He lets the action and the panels do the talking, rather than just writing words words words. The Marvel style makes every character feel the same.

That's just my opinion though. I'll still read it.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:49 pm

mAcChaos wrote:
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mAcChaos wrote:The one thing I noticed about this comic, the dialogue has a very "Marvel" feel to it. The way the characters go on monologues in every panel. In Toriyama's work it's very quick, dialogue wise.

But anyway I like it and want to see more.
Its not exactly every panel lol

Before I was drawn to dragon ball, I was an avid Marvel Comics reader. I have a lot of inspiration from both, as well as subtle Marvel "Easter Eggs" throughout DBNA. My writing style is a mixture between expositional Marvel writing and the Toriyama style. I figure I can do more and better explain things with slightly longer expositions than brief 2 panel explanations that cause my readers to come back and ask questions. Also, I'm not exactly on any kind of deadline like Toriyama-sensei was.
I personally like the way Toriyama does it better. He lets the action and the panels do the talking, rather than just writing words words words. The Marvel style makes every character feel the same.

That's just my opinion though. I'll still read it.
I appreciate that. Just my comic upbringing I guess XP

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:09 pm

I appreciate that. Just my comic upbringing I guess XP
Don't worry. I love Marvel. So your style most likely attracts me more lol.
The Marvel style makes every character feel the same.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:34 pm

I have to say, this isn't half bad. I love Buu's origin story :thumbup: .
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Captain-Sora » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:25 am

mAcChaos wrote:I personally like the way Toriyama does it better. He lets the action and the panels do the talking, rather than just writing words words words. The Marvel style makes every character feel the same.

That's just my opinion though. I'll still read it.
I like the Marvel/Comic Bookish way more. The manga style has a nice, almost storyboard-esque way of telling the story, but it's a double-edged sword and causes pacing issues. In fact, that's probably why manga authors do it that way, to beat those more strict deadlines and to pad out their chapters so they can keep working on their storyline plans and such without the need to tell too much in one chapter. They especially take advantage of it for fight scenes, where they can make them look cooler, but also drag them out for a bazillion chapters.

Here, doing it the comic book way is not only nice and concise, but it's actually more beneficial since it's a webcomic. It's a story that gets updated with one or two pages at a time, so utilizing that storyboard-esque style would only hinder the work. It'd take weeks to get any plot development done if all that time is spent with pages telling very little, and just showing a bunch of panels with almost nothing other than some head shots and insignificant gestures. Ultimately, the work would be less painful on Malik, but the reward'll be a lot harder on the readers.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:01 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I have to say, this isn't half bad. I love Buu's origin story :thumbup: .
Thanks bud! Gotta love continuity

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:32 am

If I were you id save the other Aspect lords for possible future series or arcs. No sense revealing them all in a short period of time, let the mystery and hype build abit.
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Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:32 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:If I were you id save the other Aspect lords for possible future series or arcs. No sense revealing them all in a short period of time, let the mystery and hype build abit.
They'd draw a little too much away from the focal points of the future stories. This arc is the Aladjinn/ Aspect Lord arc, they're really important to this part of the story

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:22 am

I'm not saying cut back on Aladjinn, by all means make him the primary villain, I'm saying when it comes to the other lords. I'm saying I think it would be smart to spread them out abit, reveal them one by one over a decent period of time.

On a side note, how are the animation auditions going? I replied to your email a while ago.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:43 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'm not saying cut back on Aladjinn, by all means make him the primary villain, I'm saying when it comes to the other lords. I'm saying I think it would be smart to spread them out abit, reveal them one by one over a decent period of time.

On a side note, how are the animation auditions going? I replied to your email a while ago.
The other Aspect Lords are integral to the story at this point. I'm sure if I went and rewrote my entire story I could spread them out but it wouldnt make sense.

Ill be responding to audition emails after today's page is done

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by mAcChaos » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:58 pm

That reminds me. If Aladjinn is running around trying to take over, then what are the other Aspect Lords doing to stop him. So they will probably show up to do something about it. They probably had a hand in having Dabura lock him away in the first place somehow.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:03 pm

I'm getting a major Erazor Djinn vibe from Aladjinn :lol: .
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:37 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm getting a major Erazor Djinn vibe from Aladjinn :lol: .
I have zero idea what that is :(

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:38 pm

Malik_DBNA wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm getting a major Erazor Djinn vibe from Aladjinn :lol: .
I have zero idea what that is :(
How about...Boo being Evil Jesus and Aladjinn being a Lord.

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