I agree. Goku's the main character after all.ABED wrote:I still prefer DB's ending, Goku's alive and happy, he's achieved his goal of winning, defeated the enemy, and now had a bride. The story felt complete. Where Piccolo went was not that important, Goku won, and the implication was clear, Goku was always gonna be there to defeat him. When I read the story, the idea of Piccolo and Kami becoming one never felt like a plot thread that needed tying up.
I know a lot of people love the idea of Goku passing the torch to his son, but Gohan as the hero isn't that interesting to me, and it's more of a position that's thrusted upon him than something he chose. I thought it was implied, if not explicitly stated that Gohan wanted to be a scholar when it was all over. Vegeta's story still feels incomplete at the end of the Cell arc. I know he said he'd never fight now that Kakarotto was dead, but that doesn't feel like a resolution to me.
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It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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I just want to say for the record, I like the Cell arc ending, it does give closure by and large, but I prefer Goku alive.
I'd rank it: DB > Cell arc (including Trunks returning to his timeline) > GT > DBZ's dance episode >>>> DBZ's actual ending.
I'd rank it: DB > Cell arc (including Trunks returning to his timeline) > GT > DBZ's dance episode >>>> DBZ's actual ending.
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I actually also like the Freeza arc as an ending so... I don't know what I'm talking about.

It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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I can dig it. It's nice to see someone appreciate the egg filler episode.ABED wrote:I just want to say for the record, I like the Cell arc ending, it does give closure by and large, but I prefer Goku alive.
I'd rank it: DB > Cell arc (including Trunks returning to his timeline) > GT > DBZ's dance episode >>>> DBZ's actual ending.
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Cha La HEAD Cha La is my 2nd least favorite opening in the series (the first is Dragon Soul)
i think "DAN DAN Kokoro Hikarete ‘ku" AND "Makafushigi Adobenchā" are better.
i think "DAN DAN Kokoro Hikarete ‘ku" AND "Makafushigi Adobenchā" are better.
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The Dragon Ball ending might be the only one I dislike more than GT's ending, if it was presented as an actual ending. The story just doesn't feel concluded at all.
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I hate the over colored but somehow still dull look of Funi's old singles and I actually consider the bleached look of the season sets as a step up.
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Well, we have to remember that this was never intended as an ending. People forget that the manga is just Dragon Ball the whole way through, and that the arrival of Raditz followed on a week after the conclusion of the 23rd Tenkaichi BudokaiSaiga wrote:The Dragon Ball ending might be the only one I dislike more than GT's ending, if it was presented as an actual ending. The story just doesn't feel concluded at all.
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That's exactly what I meant when I said "if it was presented as an actual ending". If what we got was an ending to the series, I would have disliked it. I don't have any problem with it as it is, though.DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Well, we have to remember that this was never intended as an ending. People forget that the manga is just Dragon Ball the whole way through, and that the arrival of Raditz followed on a week after the conclusion of the 23rd Tenkaichi BudokaiSaiga wrote:The Dragon Ball ending might be the only one I dislike more than GT's ending, if it was presented as an actual ending. The story just doesn't feel concluded at all.
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- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
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How is that unpopular?- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
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You say outdated, I say vintage, just because something is contemporary doesn't make it neccessarily better.
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Except, the execution of the attempt at vintage has been found wanting. Compare Bioshock. Even though it has a 50s aesthetic and was made in 2007 (gaming changes at a faster pace than animation), it still holds up to this day.ABED wrote:You say outdated, I say vintage, just because something is contemporary doesn't make it neccessarily better.
In DB's case, the animation doesn't hold up to modern standards (unlike, say, Golden Age Cartoons holding up among their modern peers), the outfits worn by Freeza's minions don't give a show of intimidation even though they are supposed to be evil to the core (for a better execution of this, look at the uniforms worn by the Chaos Space Marines in 40K, which do display a menacing presence, even if they look aged). As well as that, the General aesthetic is that of an 80s movie trying to be a 1950s one, and failing.
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I think Kid Buu is the best villain.
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I really like the Garlic Jr saga.
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Is the armour even meant to look menacing in the first place?Hades wrote:- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
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When it comes to the English dub, I'll take Ocean/Westwood over Funi any day.
Although that might be because that's what I grew up with...not necessarily because I think it's better.
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I mean, if I were Toriyama's editor, I'd have taken one look at Raditz's uniform, and told Toriyama to make them far more intimdiating. I mean, they're laughable more than anything else.Gonstead wrote:Is the armour even meant to look menacing in the first place?Hades wrote:- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
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What you wanted spikes on his uniform? It's just basic amour.I mean, if I were Toriyama's editor, I'd have taken one look at Raditz's uniform, and told Toriyama to make them far more intimdiating. I mean, they're laughable more than anything else.
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He'd just spite you by making them look grimderp. Like how he spited the editor who said second form Cell looked stupid.Hades wrote:I mean, if I were Toriyama's editor, I'd have taken one look at Raditz's uniform, and told Toriyama to make them far more intimdiating. I mean, they're laughable more than anything else.Gonstead wrote:Is the armour even meant to look menacing in the first place?Hades wrote:- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.











