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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZ Mick » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:00 pm

ABED wrote:I still prefer DB's ending, Goku's alive and happy, he's achieved his goal of winning, defeated the enemy, and now had a bride. The story felt complete. Where Piccolo went was not that important, Goku won, and the implication was clear, Goku was always gonna be there to defeat him. When I read the story, the idea of Piccolo and Kami becoming one never felt like a plot thread that needed tying up.

I know a lot of people love the idea of Goku passing the torch to his son, but Gohan as the hero isn't that interesting to me, and it's more of a position that's thrusted upon him than something he chose. I thought it was implied, if not explicitly stated that Gohan wanted to be a scholar when it was all over. Vegeta's story still feels incomplete at the end of the Cell arc. I know he said he'd never fight now that Kakarotto was dead, but that doesn't feel like a resolution to me.
I agree. Goku's the main character after all.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:05 pm

I just want to say for the record, I like the Cell arc ending, it does give closure by and large, but I prefer Goku alive.

I'd rank it: DB > Cell arc (including Trunks returning to his timeline) > GT > DBZ's dance episode >>>> DBZ's actual ending.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZ Mick » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:12 pm

I actually also like the Freeza arc as an ending so... I don't know what I'm talking about.
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It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Insertclevername » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:26 pm

ABED wrote:I just want to say for the record, I like the Cell arc ending, it does give closure by and large, but I prefer Goku alive.

I'd rank it: DB > Cell arc (including Trunks returning to his timeline) > GT > DBZ's dance episode >>>> DBZ's actual ending.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:36 pm

Cha La HEAD Cha La is my 2nd least favorite opening in the series (the first is Dragon Soul)
i think "DAN DAN Kokoro Hikarete ‘ku" AND "Makafushigi Adobenchā" are better.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:21 am

The Dragon Ball ending might be the only one I dislike more than GT's ending, if it was presented as an actual ending. The story just doesn't feel concluded at all.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:30 am

I hate the over colored but somehow still dull look of Funi's old singles and I actually consider the bleached look of the season sets as a step up.

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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:31 am

Saiga wrote:The Dragon Ball ending might be the only one I dislike more than GT's ending, if it was presented as an actual ending. The story just doesn't feel concluded at all.
Well, we have to remember that this was never intended as an ending. People forget that the manga is just Dragon Ball the whole way through, and that the arrival of Raditz followed on a week after the conclusion of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:32 am

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Saiga wrote:The Dragon Ball ending might be the only one I dislike more than GT's ending, if it was presented as an actual ending. The story just doesn't feel concluded at all.
Well, we have to remember that this was never intended as an ending. People forget that the manga is just Dragon Ball the whole way through, and that the arrival of Raditz followed on a week after the conclusion of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
That's exactly what I meant when I said "if it was presented as an actual ending". If what we got was an ending to the series, I would have disliked it. I don't have any problem with it as it is, though.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:40 am

- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:12 pm

- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
How is that unpopular?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:03 pm

You say outdated, I say vintage, just because something is contemporary doesn't make it neccessarily better.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:39 am

ABED wrote:You say outdated, I say vintage, just because something is contemporary doesn't make it neccessarily better.
Except, the execution of the attempt at vintage has been found wanting. Compare Bioshock. Even though it has a 50s aesthetic and was made in 2007 (gaming changes at a faster pace than animation), it still holds up to this day.

In DB's case, the animation doesn't hold up to modern standards (unlike, say, Golden Age Cartoons holding up among their modern peers), the outfits worn by Freeza's minions don't give a show of intimidation even though they are supposed to be evil to the core (for a better execution of this, look at the uniforms worn by the Chaos Space Marines in 40K, which do display a menacing presence, even if they look aged). As well as that, the General aesthetic is that of an 80s movie trying to be a 1950s one, and failing.
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Post by Big Momma » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:00 pm

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Post by 90sDBZ » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:16 pm

I really like the Garlic Jr saga.

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Post by Gonstead » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:20 pm

Hades wrote:- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
Is the armour even meant to look menacing in the first place?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ajay » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:26 pm

When it comes to the English dub, I'll take Ocean/Westwood over Funi any day.
Although that might be because that's what I grew up with...not necessarily because I think it's better.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:17 pm

Gonstead wrote:
Hades wrote:- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
Is the armour even meant to look menacing in the first place?
I mean, if I were Toriyama's editor, I'd have taken one look at Raditz's uniform, and told Toriyama to make them far more intimdiating. I mean, they're laughable more than anything else.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:27 pm

I mean, if I were Toriyama's editor, I'd have taken one look at Raditz's uniform, and told Toriyama to make them far more intimdiating. I mean, they're laughable more than anything else.
What you wanted spikes on his uniform? It's just basic amour.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:31 pm

Hades wrote:
Gonstead wrote:
Hades wrote:- Don't really like the SSJ design (were it up to me, I'd go with something a bit more monstrous. GT had the right idea with SSJ4 and the Oozaru, but terrible execution)
- The aesthetics look dated, even for an 80s/90s anime (Freeza's uniforms don't really look that menacing, the animation quality is inconsistent thanks to separate teams working on it etc.)
Is the armour even meant to look menacing in the first place?
I mean, if I were Toriyama's editor, I'd have taken one look at Raditz's uniform, and told Toriyama to make them far more intimdiating. I mean, they're laughable more than anything else.
He'd just spite you by making them look grimderp. Like how he spited the editor who said second form Cell looked stupid.
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