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Zombie wrote:He losses the form and returns to base and he stills holds up the power and then turns back to SSJG, how can that not be permanent.
He turned back to Super Saiyan God, which means that he probably lost all the power after SSGod ended for a second time. 5 years later (28th TB), Goku was exciting about a guy that was supposed to be as strong as Pure Boo, and maybe strong enough to even beat him, and Vegeta still believes that he will beat him one day. 5 years after that (GT), Goku can turn Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, and even Super Saiyan 4, and he is also very close in power with Vegeta, to the point that they can use Fusion. Alternatively, 23 years later (DBO), Goku leaves with Vegeta in space for a final battle to settle their rivalry, because they realize their life is coming to an end.
If Goku had kept the power, then Oob & Vegeta would be completely irrelevant for him even after 100 years, and he shouldn't be able to go beyond Super Saiyan.
If DBZ ever does end for good, make one final movie and have it be Goku and Vegeta's final battle. A hour and a half of just pure nonstop fighting between them showcasing base form to SSJ4 in one epic battle. How cool would it be to see them go out in SSJ4 mimicking their first beam struggle on earth?
I think the power that Goku has absorbed in his base form is not permanent, but he doesn't need to do the ritual to turn SSJG anymore. He can do it at will. He did that without the ritual to repel Beerus' energy ball.
Zombie wrote:He losses the form and returns to base and he stills holds up the power and then turns back to SSJG, how can that not be permanent.
He turned back to Super Saiyan God, which means that he probably lost all the power after SSGod ended for a second time. 5 years later (28th TB), Goku was exciting about a guy that was supposed to be as strong as Pure Boo, and maybe strong enough to even beat him, and Vegeta still believes that he will beat him one day. 5 years after that (GT), Goku can turn Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, and even Super Saiyan 4, and he is also very close in power with Vegeta, to the point that they can use Fusion. Alternatively, 23 years later (DBO), Goku leaves with Vegeta in space for a final battle to settle their rivalry, because they realize their life is coming to an end.
If Goku had kept the power, then Oob & Vegeta would be completely irrelevant for him even after 100 years, and he shouldn't be able to go beyond Super Saiyan.
I can't see how Goku would think Oob could beat him if he kept SSJ God. Nobody would be on par with him and he may as well try and get some training from Uis.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I mean it has not been stated if Goku will keep the power forever. Goku was exhausted after fighting Bills, so if Goku can still use the power after being healed, it's probably permanent.
He was able to transform a second time, seriously how hard is that to understand? Was Goku not able to turn SSJ after being exhausted?
- Birusu said he retained the power.
- He transformed a second time without a ritual and despite being a time limit for the form.
- No where was it stated he will lose the power.
Zombie wrote:He was able to transform a second time, seriously how hard is that to understand? Was Goku not able to turn SSJ after being exhausted?
- Birusu said he retained the power.
- He transformed a second time without a ritual and despite being a time limit for the form.
- No where was it stated he will lose the power.
-He retained the power only shortly after getting it. That doesn't mean he'll keep it in the long run.
-It wasn't at will though
-Nowhere is it stated that he will keep it forever.
Zombie wrote:Goku transformed again to SSJG at will...
He only transformed after remembering his family and friends, from what I read. If Goku could transform at will, he would have done so after the time limit ran out
Zombie wrote:Goku transformed again to SSJG at will...
He only transformed after remembering his family and friends, from what I read. If Goku could transform at will, he would have done so after the time limit ran out
He didn't try to transform again to SSG before, but he didn't even notice he had returned to normal. When he did, he soon becomes Super Saiyan God again to repel Beers's attack after his friends cheered him on.
No, otherwise he wouldn't be excited about Uub at the EoZ. And Toriyama said Goku at the beginning of BOG is stronger than any other version of Goku. sooooooo...
Goku never got far above Pure Buu at all.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The fight was extremely short, and Goku could barely dodge & couldn't tank Oob's hits, while Oob always had the advantage. They clashed for a short time, only for Oob to throw him away with his Kiai.
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For me, Oob's power was slowly rising, until the final Kiai, which unleashed his full power, which was what Goku wanted to see.
The way I see it is that Goku was obviously playing around, while of course Oob was serious. Yes the fight was short it and even the entire time. Though I can buy that his power was increasing as the little skirmish dragged on but I seriously doubt that what Oob displayed was even a tenth of Kid Boo's power.
I'm one of the GT defenders and even by that point in the story ( 28th Tournament) I don't think Goku would be smiling if he was in base form and took a Kiai by someone as strong as Kid Boo.
It's not too late. One day, it will be.
Peace And Power MF DOOM!
Peace and Power Kevin Samuels
He smiled because Oob met his expectations. Besides, Kiai doesn't kill.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I don't think any have, but there is no reason they can't. The Kikoho is just a super concentrated Kiai, and that was designed as the ultimate technique for a school of assassins. Pointless if it wouldn't kill...
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You are right. I was falsely recalling Daizenshuu saying that it only sends the opponent flying around.
But still, I can't find any other explanation about Goku saying that maybe none of them would win (and since he included Mr. Boo, it means that he, Goten, and Trunks wouldn't fight only in base if they needed to go Super Saiyan), and then saying that Oob was as amazing as he expected.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Raditz was already on death's door from the Special Beam Cannon. Plus doesn't Piccolo thrust his hand at Raditz to finish him off? He more or less just used the pressure to finish Raditz.
