Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

Because Toriyama is gonna think "Hey SSJ for Z should be totally different than Goku's for some reason because fuck yeah I'm high today"

No, Toriyama is gonna think "Z is as strong as I want him to be, he is a gag character, I wasn't thinking at all in making him stronger or weaker than Goku or Gotenks or whatever and that's why I had them just trade a few typical blows in their base form and ended their fight quickly with a gag. If I made Z fight them more seriously, and I felt like it, he could come out on top if I wanted. And since he is a gag character, I could even state a pretty stupid reason for him to win, like Gotenks not liking cats or Z's SSJ forms being stronger than the SSJ form of an actual saiyan or magical cat hair being able to break up fusions or him being simply stronger or whatever".

That is what you are not understanding.

We see them trade blows, that all I need to know. Oob looks the exact same as he did at the EOZ. Goku was already at a level where there wasn't really anything higher, ergo he isn't going to be massively stronger.

All I have been convinced is unless Z pulls out SSJ4 or outlasts Gotenks he isn't winning. The second option is a lot more plausible.

- Oob looking the same means that he isn't much stronger...?

- You are going to assume to Goku isn't much stronger, even though the two officials works that aren't in the manga but take place after the Buu saga (Battle of the Gods and DBGT) have him much stronger..?

- The blows they trade are really enough to assume anything regarding this fight...?

In my opinion, there's hardly anything we can assume. There's no real indicator in that fight. When there are a few somewhat strong indicators in one direction and hardly any in another, I feel confident about assuming stuff. This is not the case. There's no strong indicator any way. Just guesses and suppositions and any result is more than possible.

[dbzfan7]

Because Toriyama is gonna think "Hey SSJ for Z should be totally different than Goku's for some reason because fuck yeah I'm high today"

No, Toriyama is gonna think "Z is as strong as I want him to be, he is a gag character, I wasn't thinking at all in making him stronger or weaker than Goku or Gotenks or whatever and that's why I had them just trade a few typical blows in their base form and ended their fight quickly with a gag. If I made Z fight them more seriously, and I felt like it, he could come out on top if I wanted. And since he is a gag character, I could even state a pretty stupid reason for him to win, like Gotenks not liking cats or Z's SSJ forms being stronger than the SSJ form of an actual saiyan or magical cat hair being able to break up fusions or him being simply stronger or whatever".

That is what you are not understanding.[/quote]

So basically you can't confirm any of that. Unless Z effortlessly handles SSJ Goku, he ain't doing shit to SSJ Gotenks.

- Oob looking the same means that he isn't much stronger...?

- You are going to assume to Goku isn't much stronger, even though the two officials works that aren't in the manga but take place after the Buu saga (Battle of the Gods and DBGT) have him much stronger..?

- The blows they trade are really enough to assume anything regarding this fight...?

In my opinion, there's hardly anything we can assume. There's no real indicator in that fight. When there are a few somewhat strong indicators in one direction and hardly any in another, I feel confident about assuming stuff. This is not the case. There's no strong indicator any way. Just guesses and suppositions and any result is more than possible.

Oob isn't a Saiyan, he isn't going to age as slowly as they do. He is the same age as when Goku left the tourney.

Yes. Z's face is also serious during those trading blows. I'm certain Majin Boo would have won if he got the chance to fight Z like he wanted too.

DBM does not count GT or BOG. Even so Toriyama said they already were pretty much at their peak in the Boo saga as in no more ridiculous gains excluding SSJ God

Gotenks is also a showboater so of course he can screw things up. Power wise he clearly has an advantage. Veku was able to survive Janemba's attacks as he is a gag character and is weaker than Goku and Vegeta. So who knows how that'll take place here.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The lack of faith some of you have in the powers of gag characters disappoints me. Am I the only one that remembers the cop from Kochikame surviving his encounter with Freeza through sheer gag-awesomeness alone?

Kidding aside, I just want Arale and Z to win because they're more interesting. We've already seen what Gotenks brings to the game - it's the same stuff he did in the series proper, nothing else as far as we can tell. We already know what 18 brings to the table too - her usual MO too, just now mixed with a bit more worry about what her life has been and all that jazz. Arale and Z have much more untapped story-telling potential as of now IMO - ergo, I want to see them stick around. It's the same reason I wanted Kuririn to beat Tapion (well, in addition to Tapion being a cheapskate anyway...).

[coola]

Not to be rude, but, i don`t like his art, Bra look like granny, others don`t look much better.

[KentalSSJ6]

Flop.

Best sound effect ever.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Yeah, can't say I'm feeling this art either. It's better than anything I can do, so I'm not about to bash it, but...it is a bit of a step down from previous new artists.

[Dr. Machismo]

I have no prob with the art. This chapter's supposed to all goofy, so I think the art might be supposed to reflect that

[Marco Polo]

Yeah that art is bad. Bra looks like a granny, Trunks is wearing mascara, Cell Saga Gohan suddenly showed up next to him, and the line art is so thin that it's obvious that the panel weren't drawn at this size (look at that Namek's "face").

Will Charlotte really draw the next special? She should be drawing this actual chapter instead of fillers

[Tzigi]

the line art is so thin that it's obvious that the panel weren't drawn at this size (look at that Namek's "face").

Will Charlotte really draw the next special? She should be drawing this actual chapter instead of fillers

A few clarifications:
1. No DBM page is ever drawn at the size that's available on the website - they're way bigger. The translating team has access to the psd files with the original resolution. BTW it had lead to a scandal some time ago when a dishonest translator used those psd files to print actual DBM in his own language and sell it - that's why now only the "tried and tested" translator get access to them - others have to use a web-based interface.
2. No, it's extremely unlikely Charlotte will draw THE NEXT special. She's currently drawing another special about u16 but it isn't finished yet:

Question: In effetti questo è uno degli Special meglio disegnati! Hai in programma di farne un altro?
Answer: Si, un altro special sull'universo 16 (più incentrato su Bra) che è ancora in corso perchè non ho contatti spesso con Salagir

Question: This is one of the best designed specials! Are you planing to draw another one?
Answer: Yes, another special about universe 16 (more centered on Bra) that's still in the works because I don't get often in touch with Salagir

Source: Charlotte/Kira's comment on the page 756.
3. Did you really mean to write "should"? That makes it sound as if it was her paid job and you were her boss. She could well stop doing anything about DBM and that should not concern anyone of us.
4. After Gogeta Jr has left Charlotte/Kira has written explicitly that she doesn't want to draw the main plot:

>Kira
>Beh...tu te la cavi a disegnare l'universo DB...
>xD

XD oddio!! No!! Io voglio essere una lettrice!! non voglio rovinarmi la sorpresa, oltre a non sentirmela di fare una cosa così impegnativa (e poi chi ci va in Francia a fare le Japan Expo!!! Xd)
A parte scherzi, speriamo che Salagir non mi faccia una proposta del genere...
Comunque non credo, vorrà trovare un francese

>Kira you're great when it comes to drawing the universe of DB...

My god, no! I want to be a reader!! I don't want to spoil myself the surprise and I don't want to do something that takes so much time (and you have to go to France to the Japan Expo!).
Jokes aside, let's hope that Salagir won't make this kind of proposition to me...
But I don't think so, he'd want to find a French person.

Source: The fifth comment by Kira on this page - it's hard to link to specific comments on the minicomic pages so you have to find it for yourself.

[Marco Polo]

3. Did you really mean to write "should"? That makes it sound as if it was her paid job and you were her boss. She could well stop doing anything about DBM and that should not concern anyone of us.

I meant "should" as in "it would be better in my opinion if", because her art is much better than the current one (in fact her art is probably the best we've seen since Gogeta Jr left). Obviously it's just my opinion and she has no obligation to anyone. If she wants to do a special it's fine

[TheGmGoken]

FLOP! LoL. Dont mind the art since it's a gag.

[Son Edo]

His planet needed him.

[Dr. Machismo]

By the way, why should anyone take the events of the Neko Majin manga into consideration? That was a gag manga and a lot of it probably didn't make sense. Salagir can also just make Neko Majin as strong as he wants him to be.

[ZombieVito]

I'm loving this manga but I have a disappointment. Why didn't Piccolo and Gohan participate? That's the only think I didn't like.

Piccolo vs King Piccolo would have been great.

[dbzfan7]

I'm loving this manga but I have a disappointment. Why didn't Piccolo and Gohan participate? That's the only think I didn't like.

Piccolo vs King Piccolo would have been great.

I can see why Gohan wouldn't participate, but Piccolo really should have.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm loving this manga but I have a disappointment. Why didn't Piccolo and Gohan participate? That's the only think I didn't like.

Salagir said that they will have their own fights outside of the tournament.

[Dr. Machismo]

Gohan doesn't like to fight for sport, and Piccolo, at this point, wouldn't care about fighting in a tournament for fun.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Dunno why, but the exchange between the announcer and XII amuses me slightly.

[dbzfan7]

What Gyt said. Also the art really sucks here compared to the other artists.

[Lozjudai]

Cell face is nicely said kinda off