Gohan has an aura in a few anime instances.Marco Polo wrote: Ultimate Gohan in the manga and anime doesn't have an aura. Whether he "should" or "shouldn't" have one doesn't matter. The fact is he didn't have one. In BoG he has one so there is an inconsistency.
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Gohan obviously doesn't have an aura after he obtains the "Ultimate" form. I don't have to explain why a fact is a fact. Boo doesn't have an aura neither.
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I didn`t see movie yet, so, my only complain, is Pilaf and gang being alive, I'm sorry, but it really bugs me, they are villains, they shouldn`t be revived in Buu Saga
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They may have been villains but they really weren't evil enough to not get revived.coola wrote:I didn`t see movie yet, so, my only complain, is Pilaf and gang being alive, I'm sorry, but it really bugs me, they are villains, they shouldn`t be revived in Buu Saga
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He doesn't show one because non-Super Saiyan fighters rarely show an aura. However, base & Ultimate are the same form, and base Gohan has shown having an aura. So, I don't see a mistake there.hleV wrote:Gohan obviously doesn't have an aura after he obtains the "Ultimate" form. I don't have to explain why a fact is a fact.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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"non-Super Saiyan fighters rarely show an aura"
In the manga Ultimate Gohan never displays an aura, and in BOG he has an aura for the whole time he's in powered-up Ultimate state. Good luck trying to prove anyone that it all makes sense.
Anyway, Ultimate Gohan's appearance changes when he powers up (one pushed up bang, always angry eyes), so it's definitely not the same as base Gohan (2 hanging bangs, rounder eyes). Add the fully outlined eyes and it becomes crystal clear that Gohan's "old" base is different from the "new" base form.
I know you're trying to justify BOG with any means, but it's not working. I can't even bother to search for/think of more evidence as I'm completely certain that Ultimate Gohan, indeed, cannot use an aura (in the powered-up state, at least).
In the manga Ultimate Gohan never displays an aura, and in BOG he has an aura for the whole time he's in powered-up Ultimate state. Good luck trying to prove anyone that it all makes sense.
Anyway, Ultimate Gohan's appearance changes when he powers up (one pushed up bang, always angry eyes), so it's definitely not the same as base Gohan (2 hanging bangs, rounder eyes). Add the fully outlined eyes and it becomes crystal clear that Gohan's "old" base is different from the "new" base form.
I know you're trying to justify BOG with any means, but it's not working. I can't even bother to search for/think of more evidence as I'm completely certain that Ultimate Gohan, indeed, cannot use an aura (in the powered-up state, at least).
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So, you mean that base Goku can't have an aura because we have never seen it? Then what's so special about Kuririn, base Gohan, base Vegeta, etc?hleV wrote:"non-Super Saiyan fighters rarely show an aura"
In the manga Ultimate Gohan never displays an aura, and in BOG he has an aura for the whole time he's in powered-up Ultimate state. Good luck trying to prove anyone that it all makes sense.
They are not completely the same, but they are the same form according to Rou Kaioshin.hleV wrote:Anyway, Ultimate Gohan's appearance changes when he powers up (one pushed up bang, always angry eyes), so it's definitely not the same as base Gohan (2 hanging bangs, rounder eyes). Add the fully outlined eyes and it becomes crystal clear that Gohan's "old" base is different from the "new" base form.
I'm not trying to justify BoG, I acknowledge its errors. It's just the fact that I don't see this as an error.hleV wrote:I know you're trying to justify BOG with any means, but it's not working. I can't even bother to search for/think of more evidence as I'm completely certain that Ultimate Gohan, indeed, cannot use an aura (in the powered-up state, at least).
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Just because Gohan never displayed an aura in the manga doesn't mean he can't 
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The only reason Ultimate Gohan has a battle aura in the movie is because he was originally animated as a Super Saiyan, only to be recolored. It's less of an inconsistency with the manga and more of someone at the studio changing their minds on what form he should be using.
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He has an aura in Movie 13 as well and if I'm not mistaken in the anime he has an aura when flying to the battle ground where Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Boo were.
Also would people rather it be Ultimate Gohan who takes Beers by surprise or SSJ Gohan which I'm sure everyone would lable a power scaling hiccup.
Also would people rather it be Ultimate Gohan who takes Beers by surprise or SSJ Gohan which I'm sure everyone would lable a power scaling hiccup.
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It's a scaling fuckup anyway that Goku and Vegeta are treated as more impressive than Gohan.
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Apparently Gotenks didn't impress Birus either. When Birus said fighting sense he wasn't looking at Vegeta and not Gotenks who appeared a few seconds after Birus said that line.
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That could be because Gohan doesn't fight unless he has to. Gohan is also stated to be superior to everyone on the official website so there isn't a problem with the scaling.Rocketman wrote:It's a scaling fuckup anyway that Goku and Vegeta are treated as more impressive than Gohan.
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It does annoy me as well. Well, at least they didn't make Goku & Vegeta stronger than Gohan & Gotenks (excluding Super Saiyan God of course).Rocketman wrote:It's a scaling fuckup anyway that Goku and Vegeta are treated as more impressive than Gohan.
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Vegeta seemed to be. For some reason he is still around while both Gohan and Gotenks get knocked out quickly. Birus was even shocked at Vegeta's resilience.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It does annoy me as well. Well, at least they didn't make Goku & Vegeta stronger than Gohan & Gotenks (excluding Super Saiyan God of course).Rocketman wrote:It's a scaling fuckup anyway that Goku and Vegeta are treated as more impressive than Gohan.
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Maybe that's because Vegeta is a resilient mother f***er?dbzfan7 wrote:Vegeta seemed to be. For some reason he is still around while both Gohan and Gotenks get knocked out quickly. Birus was even shocked at Vegeta's resilience.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It does annoy me as well. Well, at least they didn't make Goku & Vegeta stronger than Gohan & Gotenks (excluding Super Saiyan God of course).Rocketman wrote:It's a scaling fuckup anyway that Goku and Vegeta are treated as more impressive than Gohan.
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Vegeta seemed to be. For some reason he is still around while both Gohan and Gotenks get knocked out quickly. Birus was even shocked at Vegeta's resilience.
Vegeta trades several blows with Birus, more than SSJ3 Goku did. You can say Birus purposely went easy on him, but why does Vegeta get special treatment while everyone else is one shoted. He manages to impress Birus after the lol boost.
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Yeah, both Goku and Vegeta have always been extraordinarily resilient and tenacious, even when at a power disadvantage. I figure it's a pure-blooded Saiyan thing.
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Vegeta got special treatment because he deserved that treatment. Plus Watanabe likes Vegeta.dbzfan7 wrote:Vegeta trades several blows with Birus, more than SSJ3 Goku did. You can say Birus purposely went easy on him, but why does Vegeta get special treatment while everyone else is one shoted. He manages to impress Birus after the lol boost.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Maybe that's because Vegeta is a resilient mother f***er?dbzfan7 wrote:Vegeta seemed to be. For some reason he is still around while both Gohan and Gotenks get knocked out quickly. Birus was even shocked at Vegeta's resilience.
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He had no reason to last longer than the others. He had Watanabe shielding.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Vegeta got special treatment because he deserved that treatment. Plus Watanabe likes Vegeta.
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And I'm perfectly ok with thatdbzfan7 wrote:He had no reason to last longer than the others. He had Watanabe shielding.TheMightyOzaru wrote: Vegeta got special treatment because he deserved that treatment. Plus Watanabe likes Vegeta.
. Vegeta needs some time to shine for once.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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