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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:34 pm

May as well go into some AF territory.

Ize, Son of Freeza and 10 times stronger than his father VS Marble, new King of The Demon Realm and 5 times stronger than Dabra.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:22 pm

I don't know jack about AF, but going by traditional logic, Dabura himself should be more than 20 times stronger than Freeza =/.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:24 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't know jack about AF, but going by traditional logic, Dabura himself should be more than 20 times stronger than Freeza =/.
We know SSJ2 Goku should be around 60 - 90x stronger. Not a big deal being 10x stronger than GFreeza
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:27 pm

SSJ2 Goku is over 66 times stronger than Freeza IMO. Seriously, going by AF, where does Ize even place? He's capable of going toe to toe with a SSJ4 right? If that's the case Ize should be at least 3,000 times stronger than Freeza.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:30 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:SSJ2 Goku is over 66 times stronger than Freeza IMO. Seriously, going by AF, where does Ize even place? He's capable of going toe to toe with a SSJ4 right? If that's the case Ize should be at least 3,000 times stronger than Freeza.
Fuck AF....that's all I have to say.

Anyways. With that battle I posted. How long is Boo head is going to be,
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:33 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:SSJ2 Goku is over 66 times stronger than Freeza IMO. Seriously, going by AF, where does Ize even place? He's capable of going toe to toe with a SSJ4 right? If that's the case Ize should be at least 3,000 times stronger than Freeza.
Fuck AF....that's all I have to say.

Anyways. With that battle I posted. How long is Boo head is going to be,
Buu makes it to SSJ3 Vegetto and gets owned. When it comes to GT characters, I don't know. Powerscaling that series is a headache because no matter how close you come to getting something that makes sense, there's always something that pops up and says NOPE! It doesn't work that way!
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Zombie wrote:Gotenks (Pre) vs East Kaioshin.
Gotenks destroys Kaioshin in base.
TheGmGoken wrote:Super Boo(Whis and Birsu Absorbed) vs EVERYONE in DB history. Counting DBGT but no SSJ4 Gogeta. Everyone is at their strongest(GT GOKU). Super Vegetto is thee to help out. Hell even Dragonball Goku is here. Just everyone in the HISTORY of DB.
Boo gets destroyed by SS3 Goku (DBZ), because he gets weakened by absorbing 2 gods.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:27 pm

Boo gets destroyed by SS3 Goku (DBZ), because he gets weakened by absorbing 2 gods.
I thought it was Kaioshins that made he weaker not Gods themselves. Plus Buff Boo(Which is South kaioshin eaten) is stronger than Super Boo
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:56 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:I thought it was Kaioshins that made he weaker not Gods themselves. Plus Buff Boo(Which is South kaioshin eaten) is stronger than Super Boo
Kaioshin (and their attendants presumably) have godly ki. IMO, Boo's absorption works as an addition. However, when he absorbed one god, his power multiplied, and after absorbing a second one, his power divided. Babidi also said that Kaioshin's & Kibito's energy wouldn't work for Boo's revival. So, IMO, godly ki works weirdly in Majin Boo, and too much godly ki will have negative effects on him. Evil Boo already has 2 gods inside him, and adding 2 more would probably make things worse.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:02 pm

Only Dai-Kaioshin weakened him. Kibitoshin made it perfectly clear that Dai-Kaioshin's purity weakened him. The only reason I don't think Beers and Whis wouldn't multiply his power is because Buu is weaker than the both of them. I think Buu has to be stronger than the absorby, otherwise the power is just applied normally. Buu would be unstoppable if it multiplied.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:12 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Only Dai-Kaioshin weakened him. Kibitoshin made it perfectly clear that Dai-Kaioshin's purity weakened him.
That's what I said.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Only Dai-Kaioshin weakened him. Kibitoshin made it perfectly clear that Dai-Kaioshin's purity weakened him.
That's what I said.
Why are you arguing that Beers and Whis would weaken Buu then? It's pretty clear Beers and Whis aren't super pure.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Only Dai-Kaioshin weakened him. Kibitoshin made it perfectly clear that Dai-Kaioshin's purity weakened him.
That's what I said.
Why are you arguing that Beers and Whis would weaken Buu then? It's pretty clear Beers and Whis aren't super pure.
Whis could be pure. Then again he may have taught Birus his behaviour so maybe not.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Only Dai-Kaioshin weakened him. Kibitoshin made it perfectly clear that Dai-Kaioshin's purity weakened him.
That's what I said.
Why are you arguing that Beers and Whis would weaken Buu then? It's pretty clear Beers and Whis aren't super pure.
It's not only the pure heart of Kaioshin that hurt Boo, it was probably the fact that he was a god as well. Goten & Gohan (and probably Trunks) have pure heart as well, yet they didn't have any negative effects on Boo. And since we have seen weird effects on Boo from South Kaioshin as well (he multiplied his power), and we know that godly ki from Kaioshin & Kibito shouldn't be used for Boo's revival, I believe that Whis & Beers would weaker Boo because Boo would be filled with too much godly ki, since he already has 2 gods in him.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:23 pm

Umm, it's much easier to assume that Dai-Kaioshin weakened him because he's pure since, you know, Kibitoshin says that's why he was weakened....:
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Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”
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TheGmGoken wrote:Super Boo(Whis and Birsu Absorbed) vs EVERYONE in DB history. Counting DBGT but no SSJ4 Gogeta. Everyone is at their strongest(GT GOKU). Super Vegetto is thee to help out. Hell even Dragonball Goku is here. Just everyone in the HISTORY of DB.
Kills everyone but Omega with a threatening glare, then loses to Omega.
It's not only the pure heart of Kaioshin that hurt Boo, it was probably the fact that he was a god as well. Goten & Gohan (and probably Trunks) have pure heart as well, yet they didn't have any negative effects on Boo. And since we have seen weird effects on Boo from South Kaioshin as well (he multiplied his power), and we know that godly ki from Kaioshin & Kibito shouldn't be used for Boo's revival, I believe that Whis & Beers would weaker Boo because Boo would be filled with too much godly ki, since he already has 2 gods in him.
Godly ki makes Buu stronger. The only exception to this was Dai Kaioshin, and both the Daizenshuu and manga specifically stated that it was because of his gentle heart, not his ki.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:21 pm

The real question is. What would Dragonball Goku(s) do. I mean the strongest Kid Goku(Well...teen as well) and the Piccolo Jr arc Goku in the fight. :lol: :lol:
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:53 pm

One thing's for sure.... SSJ God Vegetto would shit stomp that Buu :lol: . SSJ4 would do too I suppose if it Beers and Whis were to multiply his power.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:58 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:One thing's for sure.... SSJ God Vegetto would shit stomp that Buu :lol: . SSJ4 would do too I suppose if it Beers and Whis were to multiply his power.
How you think Dragonball Goku react? what would he do?
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