Kame'sennin question.....

MajinVegeta25 · Post by **MajinVegeta25** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:03 pm

I was watching the DB 10th Anniversary Special today and a random question popped into my mind. Is Kame'sennin immortal or not? I remember him saying that he was immortal, yet he died in the battle against Piccolo-Daimao. Was he lying?

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:21 pm

Yeah. Right before he faced off against Piccolo Daimao, he assures Tenshinhan that he's immortal, since he took a special potion. However, when Ten's back is turned, he sprays some sleeping gas on Ten, knocking him out. Roshi then says (to no one in particular) that he's never taken that potion and cooly walks up to Piccolo.

So, yeah, he was lying.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:39 pm

I have a tiny little fan-theory about that. I like to think that Kame-sennin isn't immortal in the sense of invulnerable, but may have taken something or done something (potion... phoenix... "bird of immortality"... whatever) to become eternally young.

You never see Roshi age through the series, and considering he's quite an old man when Goku is a little boy and... isn't dead when Goku's a considerably older man... well, he must have some advantage.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:03 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:I have a tiny little fan-theory about that. I like to think that Kame-sennin isn't immortal in the sense of invulnerable, but may have taken something or done something (potion... phoenix... "bird of immortality"... whatever) to become eternally young.

You never see Roshi age through the series, and considering he's quite an old man when Goku is a little boy and... isn't dead when Goku's a considerably older man... well, he must have some advantage.

I especially like how in GT's finale, Kuririn mentiones how Roshi and Goku never changed (literally!), while he was the only one of the three who aged.

Ah, GT... you sucked as a show, but your finale rocked

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veshira · Post by **veshira** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:17 pm

I always thought that with his connections (specificly Baba, even though they apparently hate each other), Roshi wouldn't have any trouble coming across a potion that would keep him from dying of age.

Perhaps he did drink some sort of potion, but he knew that with Piccolo Daimaou's power he still didn't have a chance?

I'm sure he must have drank something - you don't just stop aging, no matter how strong you are.

Actually, I just thought of something. The Crane Hermit must have been as old as Roshi, because they were rivals since they were young. So Crane Hermit must have had some sort of potion, too, as well as Tao Pai Pai, because you don't just have a brother who's over a hundred years younger than you.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:38 pm

Yeah, that's my theory. He doesn't have to worry about old age, but he can be killed.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:46 am

Did he actually specifically say he never took the elixir in the original Japanese version? My Viz translation has Kame-sen'nin say he "lied about the elixir of immortality", but that's a bit ambiguous... It doesn't seem very clear in exactly what way he lied about the elixir. Maybe he was just lying by saying it would make him immortal to injuries, and the truth was that it only made him immortal to old age. *shrug*

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:58 am

I thought Turtle said that Roshi drank from the fabled fountain of youth. That was how he stayed the same age for so long. I always thought the imortality elixer he talked about with Tenshinhan was something unrelated.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:10 am

No, the "Fountain of Youth" is just what the dub called the "Elixir of Immortality" I believe. It was always the Elixir of Immortality in the Japanese version.

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:20 am

I always thought Muten Roshi was granted immortality from that Fire Bird thingy he wanted to give Goku, before he offered him the Kintun cloud. But the turtle told him that it died. I'm not really sure. But I do know he has eternal life.....for some reason.

Alucard · Post by **Alucard** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:51 am

Muten Roshi can't die of old age; it's not that he's immortal, he just drank some potion that will make him eternally young.

Maybe he thought he's immortal and that's why he told Tenshinhan that Piccolo Daimao won't kill him.

The Fire Bird has nothing to do with it.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:35 am

More like eternally old, but hey...

HP · Post by HP » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:00 am

In my local dub, at some point he admits he has drank some elixir and he never gets older than that.
Of course he can be killed, but not from a desease or something. On that point of view, one can say Kame'sennin is immortal

As well as Baba, hey!

MajinVegeta25 · Post by **MajinVegeta25** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:53 am

The whole thing about the Immortal Phoenix was just a joke. The Immortal Phoenix dies....

I agree that Kame probably does have eternal youth, but can be killed.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:09 pm

In (what FUNi calls) The Fortune Teller Baba Saga, when Gohan says how there are Pichi Pichi girls in the next world, Roshi thinks to himself something like "Damn. Maybe I shouldn't have taken that eternal youth potion." Or something like that.

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:28 pm

Well, if you take into account that Tsuru-Sennin and Tao Pai Pai are also rather old compared to their appearance, then they must have done the same measures as Kame-Sennin. I'm inclined to believe it's just an example of the martial artist being trained so thoroughly that his aging process slows (compare, just as an example off the top of my head, Oro from Street Fighter III).

supersaiyanguru · Post by **supersaiyanguru** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:33 am

Perhaps after roshi's master died using the evil containment wave on piccolo, roshi found that so called elixer, and it simply stopped him from aging further. Don't know where you guys are getting the fire phonix thing, I had always thought that was just filler at the end of dragon ball.
It was never in the manga anywhere.

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:39 am

Don't know where you guys are getting the fire phonix thing, I had always thought that was just filler at the end of dragon ball.
It was never in the manga anywhere.

It was mentioned in the manga, at the start actually. When Kamesennin wants to reward Gokuu, heintends to give him the Phoenix to grant Gokuu immortality. The Phoenix had died however, so Kamesennin gave Kintoun instead

supersaiyanguru · Post by **supersaiyanguru** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:44 pm

Oh, sorry for doubting you. Guess I haven't read up on the manga recently.