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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:43 pm

The art quality keeps fluctuating. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it looks ugly.
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Post by rereboy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:01 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:The art quality keeps fluctuating. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it looks ugly.
I think its on purpose. You'll notice that its especially like that whenever there's goofy stuff and reactions going on.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:06 pm

rereboy wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:The art quality keeps fluctuating. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it looks ugly.
I think its on purpose. You'll notice that its especially like that whenever there's goofy stuff and reactions going on.
You can show goofy stuff without ugly art. It's unappealing to look at Tenshinhan's face.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:14 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
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dbzfan7 wrote:The art quality keeps fluctuating. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it looks ugly.
I think its on purpose. You'll notice that its especially like that whenever there's goofy stuff and reactions going on.
You can show goofy stuff without ugly art. It's unappealing to look at Tenshinhan's face.
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I don't like it very much either but I was just pointing out that its probably on purpose as you will notice in upcoming pages.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:22 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:He's made of two evil fucks who treasure fighting above all else. Why wouldn't he be a bad guy, who just wants to fight more? Fusion seems to draw out the worst in the fusees anyway; see Gotenks. Goten was pure of heart and Trunks, while arrogant, still knew when it was time to stop screwing around. Gotenks was a arrogant blowhard who didn't seem to care at all that he was the only person in the universe (including the whole afterlife) that could stop the god eating monster that just murdered Gotenks' entire family, along with the rest of the Earth. And absorbing him seemed to make Buu even more evil somehow.
That had more to do with Piccolo making him more intelligent and cunning.
No, Piccolo gave him nothing in terms of intelligence. Absorbing Gotenks, however, removed any bit of good in him, i.e. his fondness for Mr. Satan.
It was explicitly stated that Piccolo made him smarter, and his behavior and manner of speaking was clearly different.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:50 am

No, all that happened was he got a better sense of time and some influence to balance out Gotenks' immaturity. He doesn't do anything that suggests he's smarter. Rather he was always cunning and everyone just underestimated him.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by KaiserNeko » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:58 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:No, all that happened was he got a better sense of time and some influence to balance out Gotenks' immaturity. He doesn't do anything that suggests he's smarter. Rather he was always cunning and everyone just underestimated him.
Erm, no. He's actually right. Buu explicitly states that Piccolo's intelligence legitimately helps him to strategize, while Gotenks power allows him to overcome Gohan. Heck, even Gohan points out that Buu's intellect had increased upon his absorbtion.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:18 am

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RandomGuy96 wrote:No, all that happened was he got a better sense of time and some influence to balance out Gotenks' immaturity. He doesn't do anything that suggests he's smarter. Rather he was always cunning and everyone just underestimated him.
Erm, no. He's actually right. Buu explicitly states that Piccolo's intelligence legitimately helps him to strategize, while Gotenks power allows him to overcome Gohan. Heck, even Gohan points out that Buu's intellect had increased upon his absorbtion.
Gohan says no such thing. He just said that absorbing Piccolo was a good idea after Buu says he should finish the fight quickly. A better sense of time. That's all.

Where does Buu say that? He does say that taking Piccolo's brains will be useful, but he's talking about it in the context of absorbing Gotenks, so it doesn't actually mean Piccolo makes him smarter. He certainly doesn't seem smarter. If anything he seems dumber (e.g. forgetting how to sense ki as Buuhan).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by mAcChaos » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:25 am

Why would absorbing Piccolo, one of the smartest characters in the show, NOT make him smarter and ONLY give him a better sense of time of all things?

Especially since Mr. Time Senser was the one who goofed around so long that his fusion ran out.

I don't think he "forgot" to sense ki so much as he got so mad that he stopped thinking clearly.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:54 am

mAcChaos wrote:Why would absorbing Piccolo, one of the smartest characters in the show, NOT make him smarter and ONLY give him a better sense of time of all things?

Especially since Mr. Time Senser was the one who goofed around so long that his fusion ran out.

I don't think he "forgot" to sense ki so much as he got so mad that he stopped thinking clearly.
Because Piccolo isn't that smart. If absorbing Piccolo DID make him smarter, he never showed it, and in fact acted dumber after absorbing Piccolo.

He didn't goof around; he went for the kill immediately with Gohan, as he specifically said. He would've succeeded had it not been for the intervention of three different characters (Dende, Tenshinhan, Goku) who distracted him. Even then, he had a back up plan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by KaiserNeko » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:57 am

He LITERALLY SAYS, "The power of Gotenks... and the intelligence of Piccolo..." right after Trunks and Goten fuse. Not to mention, the way he speaks and conducts himself becomes much more refined. It's outright obvious that absorbing Piccolo makes him more refined and intelligent.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:09 am

If it isn't abundantly clear by this stage, I don't think any minds are going to be changed. :?

Saying absorbing Piccolo didn't make Buu more intelligent is like saying Goku transforming into a Super Saiyan didn't make him stronger.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kaboom » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:17 am

Viz - Gohan: "Smart thinking... I guess that's the Piccolo in you..." [Gohan]
Herms' 'strength checker' translation - Gohan: “That’s a pretty sober decision for you to make…Seems that you were correct to absorb Piccolo too…”

Absorbing Piccolo made Boo smarter, plain and simple. Yes, Piccolo spent most of the Majin Boo arc being panicked and a bit mentally overwhelmed, but he's not an idiot.
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Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:38 am

No, he is an idiot. But he does talk more eloquently than Boo.

Boo absorbed Piccolo to prevent Gotenks' immaturity from affecting his mind. And he was right, and made the sober decision to act quickly rather than stall like Gotenks would.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:30 am

He turned from retard to smart thanks to Piccolo, but also got too arrogant thanks to Gotenks. He was a fool, but not a retard like before.
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Post by Malik_DBNA » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:31 am

Here's pictures from the manga. He clearly states that he wanted Piccolo's brains so he could be smarter. They even comment on his increased intelligence.

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Post by Son Edo » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:02 am

Super Buu was one dumb fella.

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Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:01 pm

That's Viz's translation, and only Gohan's line implies that Piccolo is smart.

Boo was already intelligent enough to formulate the entire plan in the first place, before he even met Gohan. Trumps any intelligence feat Piccolo has ever had.

Plus, he doesn't even know Piccolo. He only knows that Piccolo was telling Gotenks not to fuck around. Which is what he absorbed him for.
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Post by mAcChaos » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:18 pm

He also saw Piccolo playing for time with the hourglass, trying to trick Buu with that "kill all humans" ploy and also devising a way to trap him forever in the RoSaT.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:45 pm

Saiga wrote:That's Viz's translation
Herms' translation has already been quoted.

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