Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:21 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Expectations have nothing to do with this. One is objectively piss poor, feels nothing like Dragon Ball, and has no redeeming qualities. The other is a fun movie and feels like Dragon Ball.
That's an opinion. BoG wasn't fun to me. Only good part was the OST(HERO!), Vegeta dancing, and Flow CHA LA. Everything else was shit IMHO. So both was shit to me. Now it's only my opinion though.

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:21 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Expectations have nothing to do with this. One is objectively piss poor, feels nothing like Dragon Ball, and has no redeeming qualities. The other is a fun movie and feels like Dragon Ball.
That's an opinion. BoG wasn't fun to me. Only good part was the OST(HERO!), Vegeta dancing, and Flow CHA LA. Everything else was shit IMHO. So both was shit to me. Now it's only my opinion though.
That's still 3 good things. DBE has nothing.
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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:27 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Expectations have nothing to do with this. One is objectively piss poor, feels nothing like Dragon Ball, and has no redeeming qualities. The other is a fun movie and feels like Dragon Ball.
That's an opinion. BoG wasn't fun to me. Only good part was the OST(HERO!), Vegeta dancing, and Flow CHA LA. Everything else was shit IMHO. So both was shit to me. Now it's only my opinion though.
That's still 3 good things. DBE has nothing.
Once again opinion. I could easily list 3 good things about evolution.

1. How the dragonballs looked.
2. "Goku"'s gi. Looks cool honestly.
3. Grandpa Gohan

Point is. I think both movies are shit. Please don't try to make me choose which one I would prefer to watch. I choose neither.

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:28 pm

The dragon balls are dark orange with yellow stars. They don't look right at all. Goku's Gi looks incredibly stupid, I don't see how anyone can like that thing :x .
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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:31 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:The dragon balls are dark orange with yellow stars. They don't look right at all. Goku's Gi looks incredibly stupid, I don't see how anyone can like that thing :x .
I think they look nice. Not a big deal in my opinion. I'm sure you like some things that the majority doesn't like.

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:36 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:The dragon balls are dark orange with yellow stars. They don't look right at all. Goku's Gi looks incredibly stupid, I don't see how anyone can like that thing :x .
I think they look nice. Not a big deal in my opinion. I'm sure you like some things that the majority doesn't like.
In some cases sure, but preferring DBE to BoG is blasphemous :problem: .
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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:39 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:The dragon balls are dark orange with yellow stars. They don't look right at all. Goku's Gi looks incredibly stupid, I don't see how anyone can like that thing :x .
I think they look nice. Not a big deal in my opinion. I'm sure you like some things that the majority doesn't like.
In some cases sure, but preferring DBE to BoZ is blasphemous :problem: .
Doesn't blasphemous means ungodly or something like that? Also I NEVER SAID DBE > BoG. I said both were shit IMHO. Unless you're referring to Helv then yes I kinda agree. Since I can't see how someone can say DBE > BoG.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:46 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Unless you're referring to Helv then yes I kinda agree. Since I can't see how someone can say DBE > BoG.
Rocketman said that, not hleV.
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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:49 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Unless you're referring to Helv then yes I kinda agree. Since I can't see how someone can say DBE > BoG.
Rocketman said that, not hleV.
Opps. Still. Can't see how anyone cold say that. I respect all opinions though. Just can't see someone saying that without laughing.

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by mAcChaos » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:17 pm

I am surprised by the BoG hate. How could you hate it that much. Just think of it as Dragonball. It was definitely better than previous movies, so if you liked those, why not this one. Just because it didn't follow the movie formula? That is played out.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:32 pm

It was faaaaaaaaaaaar better than any of the 13 Z films as far as I'm concerned. Beers really sold it for me.
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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by MDSTSSJ » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:40 pm

BoG may have some mistakes but I think we can not compare it with the big DBE shit.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:17 am

I think BOG was good. I have issues with it but with most movies it's best to ignore them as they just get in the way.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:25 am

Scarz wrote:Whatever Toriyama's feelings were about GT, I'm sure he has long forgotten them by now.
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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:13 am

Fun story: while picking up my grandpa from the Glenner Memory Care Center, I had to sign him out with the billboard containing the patients. It had his first name and first letter of his last name, Daniel N., written there. I noticed that, oddly enough, someone named "Akira T." was also a patient there, or that at least he attended. Coincidence!?

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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:16 am

At a Memory Care Center? It just might be him! :lol:

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by Rocketman » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:27 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Since I can't see how someone can say DBE > BoG.
DBE doesn't have Super Zygote Pan, for one.

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by bleed0range » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:24 am

I don't get the BOG hate either. Honestly, I've thought most of the 13 DBZ movies were inconsistent as shit and overall kinda dopey. I lot of people love Movie 9, but I thought the whole tournament on an island with a bunch of weird themed areas just to relive the SSJ2 Gohan stuff again was kinda lame. It's good, but that always irked me a little.

Kinda the same deal with some parts of BOG, like the prizes in Bulma's bingo thing. Or how about Movie 13 and the whole thing about how Trunks may have received the sword from Tapion to grow up and use it against Freeza. That couldn't have happened in this timeline, so it was an odd way to end it to infer that at the end. BOG has it's inconsistencies as well, what with Gohan able to go SSJ for some reason and all that.

What saves it for me, is the new characters... specifically Bills/Beers, who I think is one of the more interesting characters Toriyama has come up with, ever. I like how it feels like it could have been another arc and I thought some things were clever, like King Kai's planet being the size it was because of Bills getting upset. It had all the markings of some classic DBZ with some typical DBZ movie bs. But out of all the movies, it is probably the best. Movie 12 is the only one that I'd say would give it a run for it's money.

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Re: Has Toriyama ever said his true feelings about GT?

Post by Zephyr » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:47 am

Rocketman wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Since I can't see how someone can say DBE > BoG.
DBE doesn't have Super Zygote Pan, for one.
You're not explaining why that's a bad thing.

You understand we're talking about Dragon Ball, right? Where absurdity is the norm?

I fail to see why more absurdity is necessarily bad.

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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:13 am

I think he doesn't care actually. Same with Kurumada and Saint Seiya Omega. These spin-off series happen and vanish later.
BTW. GT is quite popular as DBE wasn't, why saying anything bad on which you helped to create (even tough with little involvement) and have mony from it? You will be against yourself and will piss off your payers only.
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