"DBZ: Battle of Z" (360/PS3/Vita) On-Going Discussion Thread

miguelnuva1 · Post by **miguelnuva1** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:37 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Why are people so upset about no offline play? Games these days are always online now.

I get way more fun playing fighting games eith my brothers abd having s chsnce at winning versus playing online and usually losing.

Saiyatonian · Post by **Saiyatonian** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:38 pm

Beerus and Whiss... Uh...

I'd say the Whiss Eng voice fits him to a T... but I expected a more threatening voice for Beerus.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:11 pm

Saiyatonian wrote:Beerus and Whiss... Uh...

I'd say the Whiss Eng voice fits him to a T... but I expected a more threatening voice for Beerus.

From what little we've heard of the voice, I'd say it's too relaxed and mellow (even for a character like Birus.) Jason Douglas can pull off more threatening roles though, I really think this is just due to the ADR direction.

But I'll say it again, it's too early to fully judge the new English voices. 2014, we'll be able to make a better judgment call.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:12 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Why are people so upset about no offline play? Games these days are always online now.

Since when? I haven't seen any console games that lack local multiplayer

. Honestly this whole has to be online bull shit needs to stop

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Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:13 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Why are people so upset about no offline play? Games these days are always online now.

Because having the option of offline multiplayer is better than being restricted to online multiplayer only. There's also too many factors that can come into play (lag, terrible netcode) with online. Not being able to relax and play a few fun games with friends offline is never a good thing. The only way we'll be able to do that is by sharing the controller once we complete a stage in story mode or something...

I really hope they update this option in the future.

InfernalVegito · Post by **InfernalVegito** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:23 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:Hasn't there been a situation in the past where a DBZ demo used older game music, but the final product ends up with a new soundtrack?

I can't help but feel we've been in this situation before with the RB series...

Final Bout used some themes from Ultimate Battle, but made them different. BT1 on the other hand directly reused some themes from the Budokai games. I don't know whether every copy of the game was like that, though.

Edit: Oh you were talking about demos. Forget my post.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:33 pm

Even though this game seems to be poop like Ultimate Blast (and this whole "excitement" in the interviews & the trailers piss me off even more), I'll still give it a try, but I'll never buy it. It doesn't worth any money.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:07 pm

Chuquita wrote:*Feels spoiled getting additional animation for ssjg Gokû so soon after the movie.* X3

Did not pay much attention to the voices as the English dub no longer interests me, but I did notice and agree on how much Sabat's voice had to hurt after that.

Man, English is your language and the English dub doesn't interest you? The Kai cast is miles better than what they used to be (the Z dub). You are not going to even give it a chance?

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:10 pm

Not everyone cares to watch the same thing over and over in multiple languages. In anime's case, sometimes it best to just watch it in Japanese, because the dubbed versions rarely add anything new.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:20 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:Not everyone cares to watch the same thing over and over in multiple languages. In anime's case, sometimes it best to just watch it in Japanese, because the dubbed versions rarely add anything new.

By that logic, then the dubbing company shouldn't even exist in the first place. How is it the best to watch anime in Japanese if the English dub is almost as good as Japanese? Sometimes it's even better than Japanese. In Kai's case, everyone in the dub was already better. There is a reason why everyone wants FUNimation to dub the new movie.

You can just enjoy the English dub as much as you do with the Japanese version. It's annoying when people just stubbornly refuse to give the English dub a chance to listen to. VegettoEX, Hujio, and others to name a few are ones I can think of who outrightly reject the new (and improved) English dub.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:24 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Chuquita wrote:*Feels spoiled getting additional animation for ssjg Gokû so soon after the movie.* X3

Did not pay much attention to the voices as the English dub no longer interests me, but I did notice and agree on how much Sabat's voice had to hurt after that.
Man, English is your language and the English dub doesn't interest you? The Kai cast is miles better than what they used to be (the Z dub). You are not going to even give it a chance?

What happened with me and the Funi dub is, originally I didn't have many problems with it, but as time went on I just got more into the original Japanese audio with English subtitles and stuck with that. Then TFS came along and I got to hear their take on Goku-in-English and I've grown to enjoy that take (both how TFS translates Goku's way of speaking and in MasakoX's voice for the character) so much that I find it near-impossible to go back to listening to Schemmel's performance. Everyone else in the Funi cast I can listen to fine for the most part (and I have caught some of the Kai dub and liked what I heard pretty much), but Schemmel's Goku is just too heavy for me now.

YouTube · Post by **Ajay** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:36 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: You can just enjoy the English dub as much as you do with the Japanese version. It's annoying when people just stubbornly refuse to give the English dub a chance to listen to. VegettoEX, Hujio, and others to name a few are ones I can think of who outrightly reject the new (and improved) English dub.

I'm not sure it's a case of not giving it a chance, heck, Mike has certainly sat and watched Kai and even reviewed it relatively positively. The thing is, why would they want to watch something in English when they've grown up on the Japanese and see that as their version of the show.

They saw the original Z dub and how terrible it was but still gave Kai a chance and praised it, for the most part. The praise comes down to an improved script and some better acting, however, the underlying issues such as characterisation, character names and inconsistent attack names etc. are all still very much present from that initial inaccurate dub.

Why choose to alternate between inconsistent versions of a show when the Japanese version is absolutely fine?

Some people may be interested in it and others may not, I don't see that as stubborn. We're all aware of Kai's pros and cons and know what to expect from them now so why revisit it if you know what you're going to get?

Bilis said he was 'no longer interested' in it, meaning he's given it a chance and no longer wishes to watch it that way. There's nothing wrong with that.

I certainly agree it would be stubborn to ignore a dub in its entirety and pass it off as bad without even seeing it but that's certainly not the case here.

So yes, I guess it comes down to - why bother if you're happy with what you have?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:23 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:By that logic, then the dubbing company shouldn't even exist in the first place. How is it the best to watch anime in Japanese if the English dub is almost as good as Japanese? Sometimes it's even better than Japanese. In Kai's case, everyone in the dub was already better. There is a reason why everyone wants FUNimation to dub the new movie.

You can just enjoy the English dub as much as you do with the Japanese version. It's annoying when people just stubbornly refuse to give the English dub a chance to listen to. VegettoEX, Hujio, and others to name a few are ones I can think of who outrightly reject the new (and improved) English dub.

It shouldn't exist. Is Dragon Ball Kai rife with bad performances? Sure, we'll say that for the purpose of this discussion. There's no reason to form opinions on dubs. They're not the work. Having an opinion on a Cantonese dub of True Lies isn't going to tell you anything about True Lies (it's a hilarious film, by the way, check it out). Having an opinion on FUNimation's dubs likewise tells you nothing about the shows or films they dub.

People who have no interest in dubs in their own language do not feel that way because they're self-loathing. They feel that way because they're thinking about what serves the work, an unchanging set-in-stone piece of art that humans will either have to bend to fit or simply have nothing to do with.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:17 am

I guess this is gonna be our roster?

Spoiler:

Mewzard · Post by **Mewzard** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:23 am

theoriginalbilis wrote:Not everyone cares to watch the same thing over and over in multiple languages. In anime's case, sometimes it best to just watch it in Japanese, because the dubbed versions rarely add anything new.

By that logic, why even bother watching an anime adaptation of a manga? What little the anime adds in terms of story almost always ends up little more than padding, and given some Toei filler writers, rather bad.

I enjoy reading Dragon Ball as a manga, watching the original series subbed, and watching Kai dubbed. Enjoying each for their own merits, I can enjoy the same story material three times as much due to different takes being good in their own right. I also do that for Detective Conan, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, and several other series where all three apply (I should with YYH, but I've only read the manga and watched it dubbed; never saw Saint Seiya's dub, but I mostly gave up on the anime for the manga anyways)
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I really don't like your argument, because it basically implies dubs shouldn't exist. That's not a thought I enjoy. Even as bad as the original dub was...most of us in the US wouldn't even know what the series was without it (the same can be said for many countries that got it dubbed). I enjoy the Japanese version, but I also enjoy Kai dubbed, and it works great.

Chuquita wrote:What happened with me and the Funi dub is, originally I didn't have many problems with it, but as time went on I just got more into the original Japanese audio with English subtitles and stuck with that. Then TFS came along and I got to hear their take on Goku-in-English and I've grown to enjoy that take (both how TFS translates Goku's way of speaking and in MasakoX's voice for the character) so much that I find it near-impossible to go back to listening to Schemmel's performance. Everyone else in the Funi cast I can listen to fine for the most part (and I have caught some of the Kai dub and liked what I heard pretty much), but Schemmel's Goku is just too heavy for me now.

I enjoy MasakoX's take as well (been watching Abridged Series' since YGOTAS was still on Pegasus), but also Schemmel's take on Goku (and Nozawa's take). I wouldn't call Schemmel's Goku too heavy, no more than I'd call Nozawa's Goku too shrill. The voice is quite reasonable for the character and works. I would say it only seems heavy because of Nozawa's take on the character, which isn't anywhere near as deep a voice as Schemmel's own. His Goku's rather happy or amused voice is rather light on it's own, it only gets heavy (appropriately so) when he's mad or in a major fight. When I get rather whimsical and silly, my own voice can be quite light, but it doesn't stay that way when I'm upset.

AjayLikesGaming wrote:I'm not sure it's a case of not giving it a chance, heck, Mike has certainly sat and watched Kai and even reviewed it relatively positively. The thing is, why would they want to watch something in English when they've grown up on the Japanese and see that as their version of the show.

Why choose to alternate between inconsistent versions of a show when the Japanese version is absolutely fine?

Some people may be interested in it and others may not, I don't see that as stubborn. We're all aware of Kai's pros and cons and know what to expect from them now so why revisit it if you know what you're going to get?

So yes, I guess it comes down to - why bother if you're happy with what you have?

One could say "Why would they want to watch something in Japanese when they've grown up on the English version and see that as their version of the show."

In fact, that's a lot of the English fanbase. Many who went on to the sub did not have that mindset and went on to find something enjoyable despite nostalgia (nostalgia's fine, but no way to live on too many things).

Once again, one could make the same argument with the English version being "absolutely fine". Why watch one over the other when you've got two good options? It just feels like a waste to me.

I know what I'm going to get generally when I read the manga of an anime that's going to be adapted. Hell, I've often felt the adaptation is inferior than the original (regardless of my viewing order), yet I often still watch both. Why revisit Z at all on DVD or such when you know what you're going to get? Why move beyond the manga? There are nice points about the manga, the anime, and the Kai dub that lets them stand on their own as enjoyable.

I was completely fine with Z in the Funimation era, yet I still found the Japanese version and enjoyed it (and the same with Kai's dub and enjoyed it). I was a fan of Power Rangers, yet still went to Super Sentai and enjoyed it (and went back to Power Rangers and still enjoyed it...with some exceptions >_>).

We're hitting a cycle here. Just because you're happy with what you have, doesn't mean there isn't more out there that you can enjoy. It doesn't even have to take out what you enjoyed before, you can enjoy it all.

I know come Battle of Gods being dubbed and released here, I'll watch it in both languages for fun (and I'll play Battle of Z in both as well...assuming I still want to get it by release date).

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:01 am

Mewzard wrote:
theoriginalbilis wrote:Not everyone cares to watch the same thing over and over in multiple languages. In anime's case, sometimes it best to just watch it in Japanese, because the dubbed versions rarely add anything new.
By that logic, why even bother watching an anime adaptation of a manga? What little the anime adds in terms of story almost always ends up little more than padding, and given some Toei filler writers, rather bad.

That's an awful leap in logic. You're comparing the creation of an animated series separate from the comic it is based to what basically amounts to "replace the voices [and maybe the music, sound effects, and certain frames of the visuals] 'cause the lowest common denominator refuses to watch our show as we made it."

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:56 am

Some of you taking my statement differently than was the original intent.

If a person doesn't care about watching an English dub of a show they've already seen in Japanese, that's perfectly fine. The same goes with someone who only something dubbed and refuses to watch it in it's original language. I'm not saying that dubs "shouldn't exist", they certainly do serve a purpose and have their merits: to introduce foreign audiences to a production that they wouldn't have seen otherwise. And that's great. For most people, they're going to watch a movie or TV show once, and then move on. That person doesn't have to watch it again just to hear an alternate audio track.

My point was: in the case of anime and most foreign films, most dubbing is just a straight-up translation of the original: no perks, quirks, flourishes, re-writes, or huge changes. In that regard, most of them add nothing new, unless you're a dub like certain gag anime dubs or DBZ's dub (where the entire script, some characterizations, and the mood was re-versioned). In that case, unless you have to hear a certain voice actor, or absolutely can't stand reading subtitles... there's nothing wrong with just watching a production in it's native language. Then again, I study film and animation at art school. So I guess I'm just accustomed to the "watching a film in it's native tongue" environment.

Plus I got introduced to DBZ thanks to the Ocean/FUNi dubs, and still enjoy aspects of them. It's just that the original version, in this instance, is so different from the dubs we got, I felt it was worth a watch personally. I'm glad I did: now I have a bigger appreciation for Toriyama and those involved with DragonBall overall.

That said, At this day and age, I don't really care if the newer DragonBall animations get dubbed or not. Thanks to the internet and having many (legal/non-legal) outlets available: I can see new DragonBall material very shortly within it's release window (TV airing, home video release, or otherwise.) Don't get me wrong: I hope whatever gets licensed and dubbed does well, and continues to make fans happy and sustain the DB franchise even longer, but to me, I don't need a dub. Just allow me to watch my DragonBall uncut and subbed and I'll support you.

dbboxkaifan · Post by **dbboxkaifan** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:28 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I guess this is gonna be our roster?

Spoiler:
Son Goku

Super Saiyan Son Goku

Super Saiyan 2 Son Goku

Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku

Super Saiyan God Son Goku

Son Gohan (kid)

Son Gohan (boy)

Super Saiyan Son Gohan (boy)

Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan (boy)

Son Gohan

Super Saiyan Son Gohan

Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan

Ultimate Son Gohan

Son Goten

Super Saiyan Son Goten

Vegeta

Super Saiyan Vegeta

Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta

Majin Vegeta

Trunks

Super Saiyan Trunks

Future Trunks

Super Saiyan Future Trunks

Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks

Super Saiyan Gotenks

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks

Piccolo

Kuririn

Yamcha

Tenshinhan

Bardock

Saibaiman

Raditz

Nappa

Gurd

Reacoom

Butta

Jheese

Captain Ginyu

Freeza Soldier

First Form Freeza

Second Form Freeza

Third Form Freeza

Final Form Freeza

Full Power Freeza

Coola

Final Form Coola

Artificial Human #19

Artificial Human #20/Dr. Gero

Artificial Human #17

Artificial Human #18

Artificial Human #16

Cell Jr.

First Form Cell

Second From Cell

Perfect Form Cell

Super Saiyan Broli

Legendary Super Saiyan Broli

Dabra

Majin Boo (Innocent/Good/Mr. Boo)

Majin Boo (Evil)

Majin Boo (Gotenks absorbed)

Majin Boo (Gohan absorbed)

Majin Boo (Pure)

Super Janenba

Whis

Beers
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Super Vegetto

Super Saiyan Bardock

Shinobi Super Saiyan Son Goku
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Oozaru Son Gohan

Oozaru Vegeta

Metal Coola (core)

Janenba

Final Form Hildegarn

So it's like 43 characters without any transformations counting, that's still a pretty good amount to choose from.

The problem isn't on the graphics, roster, music, voice acting but the gameplay. If a game has terrible gameplay then be assured that the public will heavily bash it.

Rukura · Post by **Rukura** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:12 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I guess this is gonna be our roster?

Spoiler:
Son Goku

Super Saiyan Son Goku

Super Saiyan 2 Son Goku

Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku

Super Saiyan God Son Goku

Son Gohan (kid)

Son Gohan (boy)

Super Saiyan Son Gohan (boy)

Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan (boy)

Son Gohan
Super Saiyan Son Gohan

Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan

Ultimate Gohan

Son Goten

Super Saiyan Son Goten

Vegeta

Super Saiyan Vegeta

Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta

Majin Vegeta

Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta

Trunks

Super Saiyan Trunks

Future Trunks

Super Saiyan Future Trunks

Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks

Super Saiyan Gotenks

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks

Piccolo

Kuririn

Yamcha

Tenshinhan

Bardock

Saibaiman

Raditz

Nappa

Gurd

Reacoom

Butta

Jheese

Captain Ginyu

Freeza Soldier

First Form Freeza

Second Form Freeza

Third Form Freeza

Final Form Freeza

Full Power Freeza

Mecha Freeza

Coola

Final Form Coola

Metal Coola

King Cold (? to have a full family team with Freeza, Coola and Chilled)

Artificial Human #19

Artificial Human #20/Dr. Gero

Artificial Human #17

Artificial Human #18

Artificial Human #16

Cell Jr.

First Form Cell

Second From Cell

Perfect Form Cell

Super Saiyan Broli

Legendary Super Saiyan Broli

Dabra

Majin Boo (Innocent/Good/Mr. Boo)

Majin Boo (Evil)

Majin Boo (Gotenks absorbed)

Majin Boo (Gohan absorbed)

Majin Boo (Pure)

Super Saiyan Gogeta

Super Janenba

Whis

Beers

Chilled (Wishful thinking)
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Super Vegetto

Super Saiyan Bardock (Although, I still think these two will be unlockable through regular gameplay)

Shinobi Super Saiyan Son Goku
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Oozaru Son Gohan

Oozaru Vegeta

Slug (or Dr Uiro?)
Metal Coola (core) (Can't really do the whole "360º range" they're pimping with the last one)

Janenba

Final Form Hildegarn

Had already been thinking about this. Made a few changes, marked in red, to match what I had come up with.

JeffJarrett · Post by **JeffJarrett** » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:42 am

I think there is more chance to see a Super Saiyan Son Gohan rathen than a Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta, since there's already Majin Vegeta and too much Vegeta characters in the game. Also, Gohan turns Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods. I also don't think Chilled will be there this time, they'll save him for the sequels... if they sell enough to make one. And Cooler is more popular than Slug or Wheelo. DBZGTKOSDH's list is closer to what we'll have in the game in my opinion.

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