The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Well, Goten & Trunks have still a long way to go. If they had ever decided to train hard for years, then SS3 Gotenks would be far above Ultimate Gohan.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Dabura vs FPSSJ Kid Trunks (Buu)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Well, he wouldn't have lasted that long if Dende and Goku didn't intervene.Rocketman wrote:I don't ever see Gotenks being able to kill Gohan, really. Gohan survived against Gotenks-Buu for thirty minutes and Gotenks can only hold SS3 for five. Even if Gotenks trained until he had Gotenks-Buu's strength, Gohan could outlast him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Dabra one-shots.Zombie wrote:Dabura vs FPSSJ Kid Trunks (Buu)
As noted, Goten and Trunks haven't trained. Growing into their teenage bodies made them a little stronger, but it's nowhere near enough to match or surpass Gohan. So they put up a little fight (unlike Buu Saga Gotenks would in the same situation) but still get beaten without a lot of trouble by Gohan.SS3 Gotenks (EoZ) vs Ultimate Gohan
And Tenshinhan. But remember that he still lasted a long time; the assorted interventions in real time couldn't have been that long. He probably lasted 20 minutes on his own.Well, he wouldn't have lasted that long if Dende and Goku didn't intervene.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Gohan didn't even last for 30. Gotenks' SSJ3 form only last for 5 minutes, if that.Kid Buu wrote:Well, he wouldn't have lasted that long if Dende and Goku didn't intervene.Rocketman wrote:I don't ever see Gotenks being able to kill Gohan, really. Gohan survived against Gotenks-Buu for thirty minutes and Gotenks can only hold SS3 for five. Even if Gotenks trained until he had Gotenks-Buu's strength, Gohan could outlast him.
Dabura pulverizes.Zombie wrote:Dabura vs FPSSJ Kid Trunks (Buu)
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Trunks gets destroyed.Zombie wrote:Dabura vs FPSSJ Kid Trunks (Buu)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I'd say Gohan wins without much problems as neither have gotten increases.SSJ3 Gotenks (EOZ) vs Gohan
DaburaDabura vs SSJ Trunks
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So you guys have Gohan as a SSJ2 against him right? I really don't see Dabura that strong.
Both Vegeta and Goku said they could beat him and both of them didn't know each other had SSJ2.
And considering Gohan was not at full power against him, I think Trunks has a shot.
Both Vegeta and Goku said they could beat him and both of them didn't know each other had SSJ2.
And considering Gohan was not at full power against him, I think Trunks has a shot.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I have Gohan as a Super Saiyan against Dabra. I just don't think that Trunks is strong enough to beat Dabra.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I have him as a SS2, but even if I didn't, Dabra would still win (barley, in the case of post-ROSAT Trunks).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
How about EOZ Trunks or Future Trunks against Dabra.RandomGuy96 wrote:I have him as a SS2, but even if I didn't, Dabra would still win (barley, in the case of post-ROSAT Trunks).
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Dabra still wins. It is stated that Trunks is as strong as he was 10 years ago because he didn't train, and Future Trunks is slightly weaker than Trunks IMO.KentalSSJ6 wrote:How about EOZ Trunks or Future Trunks against Dabra.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Well Gohan was weakened against Dabura. I just don't have a huge gap between the kids and Gohan. I think they have a shot.
Where exactly? Goku just mentions that they slack off, not they didn't trained at all.It is stated that Trunks is as strong as he was 10 years ago because he didn't train
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My mistake that I made it sound that Goten & Trunks didn't train at all, I meant that they didn't train much (like Gohan after the Cell Games). Daizenshuu 2 stated that Goten & Trunks are as strong as they were 10 years ago.Zombie wrote:Where exactly? Goku just mentions that they slack off, not they didn't trained at all.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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You have Gohan as a SSJ against Dabura but he not losing power in the 7 years?
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Nope. Gohan didn't completely abandoned his training, he was just training very rarely . I believe that what made him weaker was the fact that he lost his fighting sense, and it got much harder for him to get stronger through rage.Zombie wrote:You have Gohan as a SSJ against Dabura but he not losing power in the 7 years?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
But Vegeta said he was stronger (Nothing about fighting sense) as a brat while he fought Dabura making impossible that he was a SSJ if he didn't lose power.
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Vegeta was acting like Gohan was strong enough to beat Dabra, but it was taking him too long because he slacked off & his skills had gotten rusty. Also, at the same chapter, they called Dabra as stronger than they thought because of his magical skills, not his power.Zombie wrote:But Vegeta said he was stronger (Nothing about fighting sense) as a brat while he fought Dabura making impossible that he was a SSJ if he didn't lose power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Stronger as a brat. The statement is pretty clear, no mention of skills at all.Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? [Dabra]’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”
SSJ Kid Gohan >> SSJ Teen Gohan. Unless you have him as a SSJ2 but that doesn't make sense.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Dabra still one shots. Trunks would need SS2 to stand a chance (but he'd still lose).KentalSSJ6 wrote:How about EOZ Trunks or Future Trunks against Dabra.RandomGuy96 wrote:I have him as a SS2, but even if I didn't, Dabra would still win (barley, in the case of post-ROSAT Trunks).
Future Trunks is taken out if Dabra so much as looks at him threateningly.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.