If Broly would gather other forms...

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If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kishido » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:24 pm

... how would they look like?

For now we have his SSJ state and his LSSJ state, which is a USSJ without any weaknesses.

What would happen if he would gain SSJ2? Would he have a slim regular SSJ2 mode + a LSSJ2 form? And so on for the next stages.

What do you think?

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kaboom » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:31 pm

I think his "Legendary Super Saiyan" state is already his own version of Super Saiyan 2. It's a unique mix of SSJ2 and the 'Grades' forms that only Broly is capable of, for some reason or another. Beyond that, he'd only have the Super Saiyan 3 state we've seen him with in the games. It's a weird and warped version of SSJ3 which retains some of LSSJ's traits since that's the "path" he took to it, but it's still just Super Saiyan 3.

Most Saiyans: Base -> SSJ1 -> SSJ2 -> SSJ3
Broly: Base -> SSJ1 -> LSSJ -> SSJ3
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Haji » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:33 pm

If anything another form besides LSSJ would make Broly weaker due to energy loss. With LSSJ its unlimited.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kishido » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:52 pm

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:51 pm

I think his "Legendary Super Saiyan" state is already his own version of Super Saiyan 2. It's a unique mix of SSJ2 and the 'Grades' forms that only Broly is capable of, for some reason or another. Beyond that, he'd only have the Super Saiyan 3 state we've seen him with in the games. It's a weird and warped version of SSJ3 which retains some of LSSJ's traits since that's the "path" he took to it, but it's still just Super Saiyan 3.

Most Saiyans: Base -> SSJ1 -> SSJ2 -> SSJ3
Broly: Base -> SSJ1 -> LSSJ -> SSJ3
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by MDSTSSJ » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:13 pm

I like to think that Broly could get stronger but without the need to transform. For example, we could see LSSJ Broly get stronger ( trough training ) and fight a SSJ3 or SSJ4 level.

The LSSJ transformation is unique.

I don´t like much the idea that all Saiyans can transform into SSJ3 or SSJ4.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kaboom » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:54 pm

I guess it's more that the games decided to give SSJ3 to Broly, leaving us to figure out how to rationalize it.

But what you said is along the lines of how I think, too. Broly's power would continue to grow over time, and as that latent power started pushing into SSJ3's realm, he'd just become able to transform and gain SSJ3 traits.
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kishido » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:43 pm

Kaboom wrote:I guess it's more that the games decided to give SSJ3 to Broly, leaving us to figure out how to rationalize it.

But what you said is along the lines of how I think, too. Broly's power would continue to grow over time, and as that latent power started pushing into SSJ3's realm, he'd just become able to transform and gain SSJ3 traits.
Well Goku in game calls him Legendary Super Saiyan 3... So I wouldn't be suprised if he would have a regular SSJ3 version as well... But why should he use it :twisted:

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Haji » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:53 pm

What started the whole "Broly just keeps getting stronger over time with no training"? It's just his ki that keeps refilling and as shown in movie 8, overflowing, Broly had to launch multiple ki blasts to get rid of excess ki.
I guess people misinterpret translations.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Darkprince410 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:14 am

I think it's related, in part, to Funimation's dub, where the line is altered from "My ki is rising! It's overflowing!" to something like "Getting stronger...yes, much stronger!" That sort of takes out the indicator that it's going past his limits (the "overflowing" part) and that he's just standing there, getting stronger.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kaboom » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:55 pm

The way I see it, it's more from how he had a PL of 10,000 by the time he left the womb, and had power that trumped all the other Super Saiyans around by the time of the movie 20-something years later... all without any evident training. It seems like he's just naturally strong and keeps getting stronger without any focused effort on his part.

But that'd be a gradual thing that happens over the course of his life; not that his maximum power level just doubles in mid-battle or anything. That'd be silly.
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:19 pm

Kaboom wrote:The way I see it, it's more from how he had a PL of 10,000 by the time he left the womb, and had power that trumped all the other Super Saiyans around by the time of the movie 20-something years later... all without any evident training. It seems like he's just naturally strong and keeps getting stronger without any focused effort on his part.
Why would Broli not train? He is a Saiyan after all.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kaboom » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Because he's always either A) a total loose-cannon nut cake, or B) restrained to the point he's almost comatose. Neither of those lend themselves very well to the ability to dedicate one's self to training.
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:43 pm

Well, before Paragus sticking him the mind-control device, he only seemed to be blood-thirsty when fighting. Basically, the only things that seem to drive him nuts are:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:46 pm

I wonder if being in his LSS form for extended periods of time would kill him. Just cause him to burst. He seemed to be in terrible pain after using it for just a few moments, having to fire off tons of ki blasts to get rid of the excess energy.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Yin Yang » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:35 am

Assuming that its the same as LSSJ, LSSJ3 Broly may be even more powerful than Mystic Gohan. If it gain energy instead of losing that massive amount of energy, Broly would be far more powerful than a normal Super saiyan 3

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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Kaboom » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:44 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:I wonder if being in his LSS form for extended periods of time would kill him. Just cause him to burst. He seemed to be in terrible pain after using it for just a few moments, having to fire off tons of ki blasts to get rid of the excess energy.
Kind of reminds me of the fan-theory that the reason Goku's final punch did so much damage to Broly was because he was already over-bloated and unstable from his own energy, and the damage he took from Goku essentially "popped" him like a balloon.
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by Gonstead » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:04 am

Kaboom wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I wonder if being in his LSS form for extended periods of time would kill him. Just cause him to burst. He seemed to be in terrible pain after using it for just a few moments, having to fire off tons of ki blasts to get rid of the excess energy.
Kind of reminds me of the fan-theory that the reason Goku's final punch did so much damage to Broly was because he was already over-bloated and unstable from his own energy, and the damage he took from Goku essentially "popped" him like a balloon.
Wasn't there also the fan-theory that Goku punched him in the spot he would have been stabbed in, it being a weak spot. Not that Goku knew this of course, but I've seen it circulated in the fandom.
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Re: If Broly would gather other forms...

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:20 am

Yin Yang wrote:Assuming that its the same as LSSJ, LSSJ3 Broly may be even more powerful than Mystic Gohan. If it gain energy instead of losing that massive amount of energy, Broly would be far more powerful than a normal Super saiyan 3
No way. LSS Broli was weaker than SS3 Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is much, much stronger than SS3 Goku, while LSS3 Broli would be less than 4 times stronger than Goku. Except if he was to gain a big near-death power-up.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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