Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[Saiga]

I'm sorry, but I'm with dbzfan here. Trunks shouldn't be anything close to Gohan, especially considering Gohan's "ultimate" power up.

And Goku is far ahead from Vegeta considering Super Saiyan 3.

They won't use Fusion in their stronger states, they'll merge in base.

Super Saiyan 3 and the Ultimate state aren't even close to the same thing. And even if Gohan has a base, the fact that his power was unlocked should mean his base is well ahead of what Trunks would be at.

[Malik_DBNA]

But why couldnt it work? The power issue is shown to be variable in the manga. Even though they had SIMILAR strength, Trunks still had to lower his chi to match Goten's because he was stronger. In this scenario, why is it implausible that Gohan could lower his own chi to match Trunks?

[Kamiccolo9]

But why couldnt it work? The power issue is shown to be variable in the manga. Even though they had SIMILAR strength, Trunks still had to lower his chi to match Goten's because he was stronger. In this scenario, why is it implausible that Gohan could lower his own chi to match Trunks?

Exactly. Future Trunks was capable of suppressing from around 3 million to 5, and Imperfect Cell could lower his to where he couldn't be sensed. Same with everyone else outside Babidi's ship. And presumably, everyone is usually suppressing their power a huge amount in order to not send people flying with a touch like Goku did to Chi-Chi.

[goku the krump dancer]

People are forgetting that Gohan has to power up in order to enter his "Ultimate" state. He did it on the Kaioshin world, he seemingly did it again before laying waste to Boo, He did it in Movie 13 and he did it in Battle of Gods.

[dbzfan7]

NEXT PAGE:
"Let's fuse."

I hope not. I've enjoyed this saga so much, if this so called "Truhan" happens I'm gonna lose it. It wouldn't make sense. Gohan is so far ahead of Trunks it's ridiculous. Plus Goku's speech wouldn't make sense then if he just fused with someone instead of believing in himself, putting his mind to it, and focusing.

Spoiler:

Truhan is going to happen during this Saga, but not in the next Chapter. Sorry if that bums you out, but that was the plan. Plus, Trunks should have pulled closer to Gohan by now. As is evident, this Trunks is more like Future Trunks than wimpy GT Trunks. He's been training under accelerated gravity, where Gohan has not. Gohan may have a new level of power brewing withing him, but at this time, he's still somewhat 'at his full potential'. Even though he's getting stronger, he should be progressing far slower than Trunks, who is sparring with a militant Vegeta inside a room with hundreds of times more gravity.

It's not going to make me hate this chapter, but it does disappoint me. Gohan's base is Ultimate. Fusion can only work if they're pretty close in the first place. Goku can't lower his level to fuse with someone like Tenshinhan as he isn't close to Goku. The person has to already be very close. Trunks was already close to Goten but was only a little stronger. Here the difference is ridiculous.

If Oob weren't dead he would have have made much more sense.

Goku's speech really seems like it should have came later if Gohan were on his own. He really should have said "Fuse with Trunks and you'll do fine."

Super Saiyan 3 and the Ultimate state aren't even close to the same thing. And even if Gohan has a base, the fact that his power was unlocked should mean his base is well ahead of what Trunks would be at.

Exactly. Ultimate is not a transformation. That Gohan when he isn't suppressing himself.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Saiyan 3 and the Ultimate state aren't even close to the same thing. And even if Gohan has a base, the fact that his power was unlocked should mean his base is well ahead of what Trunks would be at.

It's been shown in the manga (different hairstyle, rage-locked eyes for Ultimate, impure ki), and movies like M13 & BoG show us that Gohan has to power-up like he does for Super Saiyan to gain access in that power. Furthermore, BoG & GT show us that Gohan can go Super Saiyan as an alternative. So, even though they are the same form, they are two different states with different characteristics. And also, this fan-manga follows BoG as well, in case you didn't know. So Gohan & Trunks should be able to use Fusion without any issue.

[dbzfan7]

Super Saiyan 3 and the Ultimate state aren't even close to the same thing. And even if Gohan has a base, the fact that his power was unlocked should mean his base is well ahead of what Trunks would be at.

It's been shown in the manga (different hairstyle, rage-locked eyes for Ultimate, impure ki), and movies like M13 & BoG show us that Gohan has to power-up like he does for Super Saiyan to gain access in that power. Furthermore, BoG & GT show us that Gohan can go Super Saiyan as an alternative. So, even though they are the same form, they are two different states with different characteristics. And also, this fan-manga follows BoG as well, in case you didn't know. So Gohan & Trunks should be able to use Fusion without any issue.

Ultimate is just Full Power Gohan. Hell in movie 13 he doesn't have an aura at all while in BOG he suddenly does because he was meant to be a Super Saiyan. Base Gohan is just suppressed Ultimate. Notice how when he did try to go SSJ he just got green eyes and his hair was the same. He powers up alright, but it's not just like SSJ.

Wouldn't really make much sense if he has to transform to access this power when this is all his dormant power unlocked and more. He doesn't transform to unlock his power, he powers up and apparently throws in a kiai.

[Malik_DBNA]

I'll consult my 'co-writers' about this and see what they think. If its too implausible, then I'll hafta do a lot of rethinking.

And for the record, Son Gohan is considered to always be in his Ultimate State in DBNA. In my revised DBGT, he never turns into a SSJ

[dbzfan7]

I'll consult my 'co-writers' about this and see what they think. If its too implausible, then I'll hafta do a lot of rethinking.

And for the record, Son Gohan is considered to always be in his Ultimate State in DBNA. In my revised DBGT, he never turns into a SSJ

I always have Gohan Ultimate as he usually is just suppressed. Trunks would have to be above SSJ3 level in base to reach Ultimate Gohan if he didn't make any significant gains. In other words he would have to be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks to be close to Gohan.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea, but I'll still like the comic regardless. Hell DBM does a lot worse than this.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ultimate is just Full Power Gohan. Hell in movie 13 he doesn't have an aura at all while in BOG he suddenly does because he was meant to be a Super Saiyan. Base Gohan is just suppressed Ultimate. Notice how when he did try to go SSJ he just got green eyes and his hair was the same. He powers up alright, but it's not just like SSJ.

Wouldn't really make much sense if he has to transform to access this power when this is all his dormant power unlocked and more. He doesn't transform to unlock his power, he powers up and apparently throws in a kiai.

I never said it is a different transformation, it is a different state. Going full power never affected anyone's else personality or hairstyle.

And for the record, Son Gohan is considered to always be in his Ultimate State in DBNA.

If that's the case, Gohan using Fusion with Trunks makes no sense then. Their powers have to be similar, and Gohan is many hundreds of times stronger than Trunks.

[dbzfan7]

I never said it is a different transformation, it is a different state. Going full power never affected anyone's else personality or hairstyle.

Gohan is just more confident. He was a lot more confident as an Adult then a kid. He just powers up. Gohan's hair is pretty much the same. Even Goku says he pretty much looks the same.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gohan is just more confident. He was a lot more confident as an Adult then a kid. He just powers up. Gohan's hair is pretty much the same. Even Goku says he pretty much looks the same.

No, he is not just more confident. And his appearance is slightly different as well.

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3
Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’
Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…

”Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P1.5
Context: as Gohan approaches Boo and co.
Piccolo: “It’s a str-strong ki…! I can’t tell who it is…Is it some new enemy…!?

”Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P4.1
Piccolo: “Is-is that Gohan…!? No…Something’s different about him…His features are a little different…And he has a different type of ki than before…His softness has vanished too…That’s why I couldn’t tell it was him…”

And as for the appearance:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Ultimate Gohan's eyes are also locked into angry-style during the whole fight, like with the Super Saiyan forms.

[dbzfan7]

Gohan is just more confident. He was a lot more confident as an Adult then a kid. He just powers up. Gohan's hair is pretty much the same. Even Goku says he pretty much looks the same.

No, he is not just more confident. And his appearance is slightly different as well.

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3
Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’
Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…

”Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P1.5
Context: as Gohan approaches Boo and co.
Piccolo: “It’s a str-strong ki…! I can’t tell who it is…Is it some new enemy…!?

”Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P4.1
Piccolo: “Is-is that Gohan…!? No…Something’s different about him…His features are a little different…And he has a different type of ki than before…His softness has vanished too…That’s why I couldn’t tell it was him…”

And as for the appearance:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Ultimate Gohan's eyes are also locked into angry-style during the whole fight, like with the Super Saiyan forms.

I said pretty much the same. As in he looks for the most part the same. Of course his ki is different because the Elder Kaioshin messed with it. Piccolo also hasn't seen Gohan fight in a confident manner since SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan's softness was gone from SSJ2 as well.

Base is just Gohan not powered up. Ultimate Gohan is full power base Gohan. It's not some kind of transformation thing that is separate from base form. If it were then it would be a transformation and not a power up like what everyone called it and what the guide books call it. Gohan's mood determines how his eyes look. SSJ forms have had goofy looks when their emotions changed drastically.

[Malik_DBNA]

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I said pretty much the same. As in he looks for the most part the same.

There are still differences though, that's my point.

Of course his ki is different because the Elder Kaioshin messed with it. Piccolo also hasn't seen Gohan fight in a confident manner since SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan's softness was gone from SSJ2 as well.

That's my point. His personality changed after the Ultimate power-up, like it changed in the Super Saiyan forms (except Super Saiyan Full Power). The personality is impure, the eyes are angry-locked all the time, the hairstyle is different, and he had SS eyes when the ritual wasn't finished yet. We see Super Saiyan traits in Ultimate Gohan, but without different colors.

Base is just Gohan not powered up. Ultimate Gohan is full power base Gohan. It's not some kind of transformation thing that is separate from base form. If it were then it would be a transformation and not a power up like what everyone called it.

Stop saying it's not a transformation. I never said it is, and Rou Kaioshin says that as well. It is a different state, not form. It is a power-up of his base form, but a different state at the same time.

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Ultimate is more than that, actually. The limit in Gohan's hidden powers would be Angered Super Saiyan 3. Ultimate is far, far, faaa~aaar beyond the limits.

[dbzfan7]

I said pretty much the same. As in he looks for the most part the same.

There are still differences though, that's my point.

Of course his ki is different because the Elder Kaioshin messed with it. Piccolo also hasn't seen Gohan fight in a confident manner since SSJ2 Gohan. Gohan's softness was gone from SSJ2 as well.

That's my point. His personality changed after the Ultimate power-up, like it changed in the Super Saiyan forms (except Super Saiyan Full Power). The personality is impure, the eyes are angry-locked all the time, the hairstyle is different, and he had SS eyes when the ritual wasn't finished yet. We see Super Saiyan traits in Ultimate Gohan, but without different colors.

Base is just Gohan not powered up. Ultimate Gohan is full power base Gohan. It's not some kind of transformation thing that is separate from base form. If it were then it would be a transformation and not a power up like what everyone called it.

Stop saying it's not a transformation. I never said it is, and Rou Kaioshin says that as well. It is a different state, not form. It is a power-up of his base form, but a different state at the same time.

I said he was pretty much the same, ergo there are some differences, but not grand changes.

He was just more confident. Who wouldn't be when his rage boost power is now fully at his command. The more powerful people get,the more confident they are. Gohan usually doubts himself while as an Adult he didn't do that as much. Those eyes are just his mood. Vegeta has that look all the time.

It's still base Gohan's full power. As in he is Ultimate Gohan suppressed all the time.

[Malik_DBNA]

I asked a few of my 'co-writers'/'editors', and some people who have a bit more canon knowledge than me about the plausibility of Truhan. This was their basic take on it:

As is, there was no way for Gohan and Trunks to fuse, based solely on their PLs at the end of GT.

I stated that Gohan is considered to always be in his Ultimate State, and therefore (as evidence during his battle with Bootenks) he's not getting much stronger (if at all) even while training.

Trunks, however, based on the DBNA story and altered GT Timeline, would have recieved several Zenkai boosts up til after the battle with Rigor, where he was training for a whole month in highly accelerated gravity (300+) with Vegeta.

Based on how different Mirai Trunks was after 1 year in only 10 times gravity (RoSaT), Trunks' power level must have increased dramatically, especially since he is not used to constantly training under such heavy gravity like Vegeta is (this increases the benefit of the gravity training).

If this older, more advanced Trunks is to fuse with Gohan, his powers will have to be increased by a minimum of a factor of 20 under his training. This could be deemed plausible as Son Goku increased his chi under only 100G by a factor of 11 in only 6 days.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He was just more confident.

Isn't confidence a positive emotion? Because according to what you say, confidence made him impure enough for Piccolo to mistake him for an enemy.

It's still base Gohan's full power. As in he is Ultimate Gohan suppressed all the time.

Kinda. Base Gohan can use Fusion with, say, base Goku, but Ultimate Gohan can't. The power of the Ultimate power-up is separate from his normal power, since powering-up affects his appearance & personality.

I asked a few of my 'co-writers'/'editors', and some people who have a bit more canon knowledge than me about the plausibility of Truhan. This was their basic take on it:

As is, there was no way for Gohan and Trunks to fuse, based solely on their PLs at the end of GT.

I stated that Gohan is considered to always be in his Ultimate State, and therefore (as evidence during his battle with Bootenks) he's not getting much stronger (if at all) even while training.

Trunks, however, based on the DBNA story and altered GT Timeline, would have recieved several Zenkai boosts up til after the battle with Rigor, where he was training for a whole month in highly accelerated gravity (300+) with Vegeta.

Based on how different Mirai Trunks was after 1 year in only 10 times gravity (RoSaT), Trunks' power level must have increased dramatically, especially since he is not used to constantly training under such heavy gravity like Vegeta is (this increases the benefit of the gravity training).

If this older, more advanced Trunks is to fuse with Gohan, his powers will have to be increased by a minimum of a factor of 20 under his training. This could be deemed plausible as Son Goku increased his chi under only 100G by a factor of 11 in only 6 days.

You mean that base Trunks is close to Ultimate Gohan? And I guess you don't follow the Daizenshuu statement which states that the near-death power-ups because insignificant/non-existent after Freeza arc?

[dbzfan7]

Isn't confidence a positive emotion? Because according to what you say, confidence made him impure enough for Piccolo to mistake him for an enemy.

Piccolo didn't reconize him as he had a different ki signature. This is because Elder Kaioshin messed around with Gohan

Kinda. Base Gohan can use Fusion with, say, base Goku, but Ultimate Gohan can't. The power of the Ultimate power-up is separate from his normal power, since powering-up affects his appearance & personality

Then it's a transformation. He has sealed of power he can only access by transforming. After the power up Base Gohan=Ultimate Gohan

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Piccolo didn't reconize him as he had a different ki signature. This is because Elder Kaioshin messed around with Gohan

Piccolo said that his ki had changed because of his personality.

Then it's a transformation. He has sealed of power he can only access by transforming. After the power up Base Gohan=Ultimate Gohan

No... you don't have to transform to draw extra power. Gohan can just draw extra power in his base.