The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:59 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Gag Birsu vs Mr Satan
Mr. Satan can't die. The universe won't allow it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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TheGmGoken wrote:Gag Birsu vs Mr Satan
Mr. Satan can't die. The universe won't allow it.
Future Trunks timeline................
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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TheGmGoken wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:Gag Birsu vs Mr Satan
Mr. Satan can't die. The universe won't allow it.
Future Trunks timeline................
Did he die in that timeline?
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:32 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Did he die in that timeline?
I would assume so, either that or he went into hiding.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Teen Gohan SS2 vs Cell

He struggles due to his rusty skills, and eventually wins due to his power advantage. It's how I'd see Gohan vs Dabra eventually turn out.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:40 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Did he die in that timeline?
I would assume so, either that or he went into hiding.
I say he survived because the Universe loves Mr. Satan
Saiga wrote:Teen Gohan SS2 vs Cell

He struggles due to his rusty skills, and eventually wins due to his power advantage. It's how I'd see Gohan vs Dabra eventually turn out.
We just had this one like a page ago.

But My stance is SPC>SSJ2 Adult Gohan>Perfect Cell
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:59 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Saiga wrote:Teen Gohan SS2 vs Cell

He struggles due to his rusty skills, and eventually wins due to his power advantage. It's how I'd see Gohan vs Dabra eventually turn out.
We just had this one like a page ago.

But My stance is SPC>SSJ2 Adult Gohan>Perfect Cell
I know, I was responding to that. I only just caught up to the thread. :P

I think even adult Gohan is superior to SPC in power, because I don't believe he lost power, just access to his rage boost.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:04 pm

Saiga wrote:
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Saiga wrote:Teen Gohan SS2 vs Cell

He struggles due to his rusty skills, and eventually wins due to his power advantage. It's how I'd see Gohan vs Dabra eventually turn out.
We just had this one like a page ago.

But My stance is SPC>SSJ2 Adult Gohan>Perfect Cell
I know, I was responding to that. I only just caught up to the thread. :P

I think even adult Gohan is superior to SPC in power, because I don't believe he lost power, just access to his rage boost.
I think Gohan needs his rage boost to be above SPC. But that just my opnion.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:05 pm

Doesn't make any sense. Otherwise SPC wouldn't have been able to do what he did.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:13 pm

SSJ4 Vegeta vs San Xing Long(Eis Shenron)
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:38 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:SSJ4 Vegeta vs San Xing Long(Eis Shenron)
Vegeta easy. Goku dominated him so Vegeta should too.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:44 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Doesn't make any sense. Otherwise SPC wouldn't have been able to do what he did.
Sure he would have. You can injure people stronger than you especially if you take them off guard.

And I'm not even sure if Gohan still had his rage boost after he reverted the first time.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:15 pm

Saiga wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Doesn't make any sense. Otherwise SPC wouldn't have been able to do what he did.
Sure he would have. You can injure people stronger than you especially if you take them off guard.

And I'm not even sure if Gohan still had his rage boost after he reverted the first time.
Except that's exactly what Dabra did, and it didn't hurt Gohan anywhere near as bad as Cell's blast did. Gohan wasn't even off guard when hit by Cell's blast; he saw it coming and everything.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:18 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Doesn't make any sense. Otherwise SPC wouldn't have been able to do what he did.
Sure he would have. You can injure people stronger than you especially if you take them off guard.

And I'm not even sure if Gohan still had his rage boost after he reverted the first time.
Except that's exactly what Dabra did, and it didn't hurt Gohan anywhere near as bad as Cell's blast did. Gohan wasn't even off guard when hit by Cell's blast; he saw it coming and everything.
Not every ki attack is of the same power. And I think he was definitely off-guard, he saw it coming but he took it at a terrible angle and couldn't raise any sort of defence against it because he was just trying to get between it and Vegeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:24 pm

Both were uncharged generic attacks fired at an off guard Gohan. Only one was tanked and the other one-shotted Gohan. Seems like a pretty easy way to compare them.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:31 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Both were uncharged generic attacks fired at an off guard Gohan. Only one was tanked and the other one-shotted Gohan. Seems like a pretty easy way to compare them.
Not really. They still don't have to be the same strength, and Gohan isn't necessarily in the same sort of position when he receives the attack. And Gohan wasn't one-shotted, his arm was broken.

Dabra's attacking also sent Gohan flying, while Cell's didn't. In both case Gohan was airborne, so that'd have to mean Dabra's attack was stronger? It just doesn't work like that.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:26 pm

FPSSJ Goten(EoZ) vs FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:26 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:FPSSJ Goten(EoZ) vs FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)
Goten I think. But not easily. If Gohan gets rage boosts he wins.
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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:06 am

Goten was already close to a weaker CG Gohan, take the RoSaT and 10 more years and I do see Goten taking this quite easily.
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