"Jaco the Galactic Patrolman" discussion (incl. "DB Minus")

[MagicBox]

The more and more I think about it, the more I love the idea of Goku being sent to Earth as a toddler-slash-very-young-child rather than as a baby. I'd love to see what his early life on Planet Vegeta was like. The anime always showed him getting sent off only a few days/weeks after his birth.

Oh snap, and we now have a Zeni-to-Yen exchange rate!

[Zephyr]

Ah, new contradictions (which is a commonplace now with any new DB media, even if AT himself is behind them) and fans' silly attempts at explaining that which doesn't make sense.]

Weren't contradictions pretty at home in the manga itself anyway?

[MagicBox]

Actually, wait, okay. So if Bulma was born in age 733, and Goku was born in Age 737, and Bulma's five years old when she meets Jaco...

That means that Goku's around a year old when he arrives on Earth? I guess I can buy that. But apparently Freeza blows up Planet Vegeta the same year Goku was born, so...

Bah, screw this.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Actually, wait, okay. So if Bulma was born in age 733, and Goku was born in Age 737, and Bulma's five years old when she meets Jaco...

That's means that Goku's around a year old when he arrives on Earth? I guess I can buy that. But apparently Freeza blows up Planet Vegeta the same year Goku was born, so...

Bah, screw this.

It's times like this that it really is best to just roll with it if you like an addition, rather than over think it. I've learned that the hard way.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Actually, wait, okay. So if Bulma was born in age 733, and Goku was born in Age 737, and Bulma's five years old when she meets Jaco...

That means that Goku's around a year old when he arrives on Earth? I guess I can buy that. But apparently Freeza blows up Planet Vegeta the same year Goku was born, so...

Bah, screw this.

Bulma is 6, and Goku is 2. DB is set 10 years after Jaco.

[dbzfan7]

Wasn't Goku just born on Planet Vegeta when he was sent out? Maybe it took his pod a year to get to earth.

[Luke Groundwalker]

In defense of the plothole:

Goku's 1-2 years old - Okay, first of all, just because Bardock was referenced in the manga doesn't mean the entire depicition of the Episode of Bardock is accurate. Toriyama didn't write the movie afterall, and there hasn't been any indications of it being canon with the manga outside of the visual reference of Bardock itself. Also, remember how it took Vegeta and Nappa like a year to get to Earth? What makes you think it wouldn't take a year or longer for baby Goku to fly from Vegeta to Earth? With the advance technology of Freeza's army I wouldn't have any doubt they would build the pods so you can basically not eat any food and survive for a long time on life support.

Also just because Bulma is 5 and 10 years later she's 16 doesn't mean that's inaccurate. Ages aren't how years work, and people are always two different ages a year so unless we got specific dates and months and knowledge of Bulma's birthday, you cannot absolutely so it's inaccurate. For all we know, Bulma probably was going to have her 6th birthday the same year she met Jaco and crew.

[MagicBox]

Bulma is 6, and Goku is 2. DB is set 10 years after Jaco.

It must just be a few days before Bulma's birthday, then, because Tights confirms she's five a little after Goku lands.

It's times like this that it really is best to just roll with it if you like an addition, rather than over think it. I've learned that the hard way.

I even said I couldn't care less about the timeline a few pages back. Now look at me!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Bulma is 6, and Goku is 2. DB is set 10 years after Jaco.

We don't know their exact birthdays, so you can't just state that as a fact. Whenever Jaco is set, Tights specifically says that her sister is 5 when she introduces her to everyone. Plus, Omori starts his narration saying it was around ten years ago. Could be nine years and five months, could be ten years and eight months. It doesn't have to line up perfectly.

[MCDaveG]

Pfff, I don't care about contradictions. I'm not trekkie, I am fan of silly manga with straight story for kids And I'm proud of it!

[B]

Has anyone kept up to date with when exactly Viz's WSJ comes out on Mondays? They certainly don't do it in the mornings.

[Makaioshin]

Has anyone kept up to date with when exactly Viz's WSJ comes out on Mondays? They certainly don't do it in the mornings.

They become available at 1:00PM EST.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Ok so what happened?

Spoiler:

Did Jaco meet Goku? Did Tights leave Earth with Jaco?

[Kaboom]

Ok so what happened?

Spoiler:

Did Jaco meet Goku? Did Tights leave Earth with Jaco?

Spoiler:

No, they never met. Jaco was distracted, didn't notice li'l Goku's pod landing, and thought he just didn't show up.

It says Jaco visited often and would take Tights out to see other planets, but it doesn't say what happened to her in the long run.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Spoiler:

No, they never met. Jaco was distracted, didn't notice li'l Goku's pod landing, and thought he just didn't show up.

It says Jaco visited often and would take Tights out to see other planets, but it doesn't say what happened to her in the long run.

Spoiler:

There's got to be a sequel to this, or a new Dragon Ball series. If Jaco visited often and took Tights to other planets, why didn't Bulma ask for Jaco's help when they needed to get to Namek? A lot needs to be explained.

[SaiyamanMS]

Spoiler:

There's got to be a sequel to this, or a new Dragon Ball series. If Jaco visited often and took Tights to other planets, why didn't Bulma ask for Jaco's help when they needed to get to Namek? A lot needs to be explained.

I'm not sure the spoiler tags are necessary now that Jump is officially out, but...

Spoiler:

Despite his occasional visits, it could just be that they have no way of contacting Jaco when he's out in space? In fact, the way Omori says that he'll ask Jaco about the Dragon Balls next time he visits more or less indicates so. Maybe Jaco had a run in with Dodoria during the Red Ribbon Army arc and didn't come back alive? There's plenty of ways to deal with that point.

[medama_oyaji]

WOW~! What a great chapter! To be honest I was dreading it a bit, not really interested in the DB tie-in because we all pretty much knew it was baby Goku arriving on Earth, but the execution was so great (Jaco missing Goku entirely! Goku's cute little Saiyan outfit!) and we got so much more with Bulma's family, etc. It's really great to see Bulma as a genius little kid, since it's easy to forget that she's a super talented inventor.

Let's see what else... the art is still totally great in this chapter. I especially love the detail in Goku's landing site and the pic of him & Gohan. Like I said above, his Saiyan gear is great. I'm used to seeing him depicted as naked in the ship... was that anime-only?

What is the deal with the gift to Omori? A plastic model of "Z'Gok"? What is that? Is that a reference or a joke that I'm not getting? There's a weird little robot on top of Omori's tractor on the page where Jaco is visiting and there's the photo of his girlfriend... maybe that's the Z'Gok model!?

I guess if I have one big issue with how this effects Dragon Ball history, it's that Bulma already has a relationship with an alien before Radditz/Vegeta/Freeza. I don't remember for sure, but I'm sure she was kinda freaked by the notion of aliens, right??

SIGH I'm sad to see it end though. It was so fun to read a weekly Toriyama series. Looking forward to buying the Japanese volume when it comes out, and hopefully Viz will give us an English print release!! (in fact I'm a bit concerned that they removed Toriyama's message about an upcoming volume release..........)

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What is the deal with the gift to Omori? A plastic model of "Z'Gok"? What is that? Is that a reference or a joke that I'm not getting? There's a weird little robot on top of Omori's tractor on the page where Jaco is visiting and there's the photo of his girlfriend... maybe that's the Z'Gok model!?

It's the "robot". The Z'Gok is a model of mobile suit used by the Principality of Zeon, originating in the initial Mobile Suit Gundam series:

[medama_oyaji]

Woah, yeah, that's totally what's on top of the tractor on that page....

[Cold Skin]

The depiction of baby Goku in his space pod being found by Gohan was anime-exclusive if I remember well (in flashbacks and in the Bardack special).

So I'm pretty sure that whenever the anime gets remade from the start, once Goku's travel to Earth (or his arrival) is shown, the anime staff will give him the Saiyan gear this time, since it is how Toriyama seems to naturally imagine him (note that Toriyama has re-read the manga recently, but he was likely still unaware of some anime-exclusive depictions like naked baby Goku, to him it was potentially the first depiction of baby Goku since he probably forgot about the details of the Bardack special long ago).