I hate the movie formula... so that's not why. I just didn't like it. I honestly liked Bojack move better though. Also I praised the part that was similar to Dragonball(Gags).mAcChaos wrote:I am surprised by the BoG hate. How could you hate it that much. Just think of it as Dragonball. It was definitely better than previous movies, so if you liked those, why not this one. Just because it didn't follow the movie formula? That is played out.
No characters made me dislike the movie. I just do. Not an issue IMHO> I hate the movie. Don't really care for Birsu. Not saying much since I honestly don't care for lots of DB characters as well.mAcChaos wrote:I thought Beers made the movie. Was he what you didn't like?
Beers, Bills, whatever his name is.
Strife does not equal quality. However much effort went into either production is meaningless if the end result is trash.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:More effort went into to the plot of Evolution than BoG (whether or not you agree with the results).
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki
It isn't meaningless. If you know and like what they were trying to do with a certain product, you can sympathise it, even if the end result isn't good. Both BoG and Evolution aren't great, but I prefer Evolution because they were trying to do something different and not just cash in.B wrote: Strife does not equal quality. However much effort went into either production is meaningless if the end result is trash.
Not expanding on the already-convoluted main series and reworking it like Evolution or creating a new one in the same universe like Online.B wrote: What would your idea of not "scraping the bottom of the barrel" be?
I disagree. I think it was a timely and logical progression from what had happened it DB. DBZ already had enough gods and Super Saiyan forms.Zephyr wrote:I'd honestly say the bottom of the barrel was being scraped when the Saiyan arc started.
I can't say I agree that space travel, aliens, more Dragon Balls, and robots was really the next logical step in a story after demons and gods were introduced, and Goku became the certified strongest on the planet. I mean, it's a fine next logical step, sure, but not the only one.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I disagree. I think it was a timely and logical progression from what had happened it DB. DBZ already had enough gods and Super Saiyan forms.Zephyr wrote:I'd honestly say the bottom of the barrel was being scraped when the Saiyan arc started.
Firstly, I agree with you on the androids, but that's not what we're talking about here. Secondly, in DBZ, it's revealed that Daimaoh and Kami were not a demon and a god respectively, but aliens -- they just thought were because they had otherworldly powers. And this is foreshadowed in DB, which is why the reveal, and the reveal that Goku is an alien, is so effective. And if these characters are aliens, it only makes sense that there'd be space travel.Zephyr wrote: I can't say I agree that space travel, aliens, more Dragon Balls, and robots was really the next logical step in a story after demons and gods were introduced, and Goku became the certified strongest on the planet. I mean, it's a fine next logical step, sure, but not the only one.
I strongly disagree. Toriyama was at the top of his game during the Saiyan/Freeza arcs. The revelation that Goku is an alien is far more effective and nuanced than the revelation that Goku is a god. I mean, he's the legendary Super Saiyan, and he's also a god? They should stop calling him Goku and instead call him The Chosen One.Zephyr wrote: I won't pretend that Battle of Gods (main character becomes a god himself, multiverse is now a reality) is the next logical step from where the Buu arc (main character shows himself to be capable of destroying the most powerful cosmic threat in the universe) ends either, but it's just as fine of one as the Saiyan arc was from the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, in my opinion.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Best synopsis of the movie so far, imo.Cold Skin wrote:I think Battle of Gods was one of the most necessary things ever in Dragon Ball: Toriyama needed to put everyone back on track as to what his message is supposed to be. Namely, you're not supposed to think that Goku and his friends are the strongest in the universe after having defeated the greatest threat in the universe (Boo). This movie goes back to the original message: there will always be someone stronger than you, even if you manage to become a God, and there will always be room for improvement and you better work for it.
A movie that manages to make the original storyline better by re-inserting the most important message conveyed through the whole show that too many people ended up forgetting is something that is greater than what any of us could have wished for.
There was nothing smarter than to make Goku temporarily a God and show him "see? You have the ultimate transformation that has no possibly higher transformation, you've become the highest-ranking type of warrior (a God) in all universes, and guess what? That's not nearly enough to reach the top. So go back to the way you thought when you were a kid cause nothing has changed: you still have a LONG way to go to be the greatest warrior and many potential adventures and challenges ahead". (the "get back to your younger roots" could even be conveyed through the Super Saiyan God's slimmer and more peaceful appearance, very reminiscent of teenage Goku against Piccolo at the tournament).
Plus, it was about time to show that Gods are indeed a force not to be messed with, because all types of Gods we had seen so far in the manga actually made the Saiyans look like Gods instead of them. It was about time to put Gods back to what they're supposed to be: the ultimate, strongest beings who can deal with "lower beings" (including Saiyans) with no sweat.
I disagree. Daimaoh is the only evil Namekian that we know of, but he's not a demon in the sense that other characters in the series are demons (i.e. from a demon race or residing in hell). And Kami is the god of the Earth -- in other words, the protector of the Earth -- but he's not a god the way that, say, Kaioshin is.Zephyr wrote: Technically, they were revealed to be aliens in addition to a demon and god respectively. Daimao's victims being barred from the afterlife was still a testament to his evilness rather than his Namekian abilities, and Kami is still the god of Earth.
I might not have made myself very clear, but I don't have a problem with Goku being the one who does everything -- just with the fact that he keeps getting power-ups. Obviously the only reason God Goku exists is marketing, but I don't see any other reason why it couldn't have been SS3 Goku vs. Bills.Zephyr wrote: And regarding Goku being "The Chosen One", he was far from the only Super Saiyan, and most certainly far from "THE" Legendary one. And the capability to become a god isn't a Goku exclusive ability or anything. He's only the person to become it during the film because, well, he's Goku.
For me, that doesn't really feel forced in the Saiyan arc because I feel Kaioh not factoring in the time it would take Goku to cross Snake Way is a reasonable oversight to make. Yeah, he's a god, but in DBZ, gods aren't perfect and impotent beings, and Kaioh is a silly character at times. But yeah, in the Freeza arc, it does feel a bit forced. It's a bit strange that Goku doesn't eat a Senzu bean sooner and go with Gohan and Krillin, when Krillin's a weakling and Gohan has shown himself to get too nervous to fight in the heat of battle. And Ginyu's body swap technique is a bit strange because he's the only character who has that ability. You'd think Freeza would know it, but it's never seen again.Zephyr wrote: As for the Saiyan/Freeza arcs writing, the classical overuse of "put Goku out of commission for a bit, and then have him save the day at the last minute!" was at its peak here, happening twice in one arc. Though to be fair, that's not exactly a fair point since that's been a thing since....at least the Red Ribbon Army arc, up through Battle of Gods itself.
Dragon Ball has a very broad and liberal definition of demon, and Daimao and his spawn still fit into it, even if it's not in the same sense as others.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I disagree. Daimaoh is the only evil Namekian that we know of, but he's not a demon in the sense that other characters in the series are demons (i.e. from a demon race or residing in hell).
How not? They're both individuals who are appointed to a role that involves overseeing a set area of the physical realm, and are both referred to as gods. The only significant difference here is that one's role is racially exclusive and the other's isn't.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:And Kami is the god of the Earth -- in other words, the protector of the Earth -- but he's not a god the way that, say, Kaioshin is.
That's my point. Daimaoh and Kami thought they were a demon and a god respectively by race, when actually they're part of the Namekian race.Zephyr wrote: The only significant difference here is that one's role is racially exclusive and the other's isn't.
Daimao yes, but I don't think it was ever implied that Kami was from some sort of divine race. But I see what you're saying.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:That's my point. Daimaoh and Kami thought they were a demon and a god respectively by race, when actually they're part of the Namekian race.Zephyr wrote: The only significant difference here is that one's role is racially exclusive and the other's isn't.
