The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbzfan7]

Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Tenkaichi Budokai)

Cell wins with difficulty.

[RandomGuy96]

Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta (Tenkaichi Budokai)

Cell wins after a good fight.

[goku the krump dancer]

Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.

How you figure?

[Rocketman]

Depends on Cell's regeneration, I think, and if Vegeta already knows about Cell's capabilities.

[Kaboom]

I don't buy them, as they're from a magazine (the same one that said Cooler was 470 million), not something more official like the Daizenshuu, and don't make any sense. For example, they say Salza is weaker than Gohan.

Technically no, the V-Jump numbers for Coola, Broly, and Gogeta were released many years later for Budokai 3. The numbers for Coola's Armored Squad were released in an old issue of Weekly Jump, from back when the movie itself was new. Not quite the same thing.

Whether or not they make sense is a matter of opinion, though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.

How you figure?

Maybe it has something to do with Gohan being a Ssj against Dabura.

[TheGmGoken]

Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.

How you figure?

Maybe it has something to do with Gohan being a Ssj against Dabura.

You don't know what you started. But yea. I have Dabura equal to Perfect Cell that fought Goku

[Cursed Lemon]

Wait, I'm confused as to the context of this particular comparison.

Was Vegeta able to go SSJ2 before his possession?

[Tyro]

Was Vegeta able to go SSJ2 before his possession?

Yes he was.

[goku the krump dancer]

Dabura isn't as strong as perfect Cell.

How you figure?

Maybe it has something to do with Gohan being a Ssj against Dabura.

Care to elaborate a little?

[KentalSSJ6]

Personally I believe Teen Gohan dropped to FPSSJ strength during the Buu saga. Before he got all the training and Mystic form from Kibito, the East Supreme Kaioshin, and Old Kaioshin of course.

[Cursed Lemon]

Yes he was.

Do we know what kind of a boost Babidi gave him?

It seems inconceivable to me that for as much as Vegeta keeps up with his training, that as a SSJ2 he couldn't completely destroy Cell (and that kid Gohan would be THAT much stronger than him) - or at least win after a bit of a scuffle.

[Tyro]

Yes he was.

Do we know what kind of a boost Babidi gave him?

It seems inconceivable to me that for as much as Vegeta keeps up with his training, that as a SSJ2 he couldn't completely destroy Cell (and that kid Gohan would be THAT much stronger than him) - or at least win after a bit of a scuffle.

It's kinda messy, but from what we're given to work with:

SS2 Goku = SS2 Majin Vegeta > SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) > SS2 Goku (burst, vs. Yakon) > SS2 Vegeta. So the boost took him from below SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) to above that level.

[Cursed Lemon]

It's kinda messy, but from what we're given to work with:

SS2 Goku = SS2 Majin Vegeta > SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) > SS2 Goku (burst, vs. Yakon) > SS2 Vegeta. So the boost took him from below SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) to above that level.

It seems to be that with the degree to which Gohan outclassed even SPC, that Vegeta should at least get the W.

[dbzfan7]

Majin Vegeta was only considered "Perhaps Stronger than Kid Gohan" by Piccolo. Which means Majin Vegeta is around SSJ2 Kid Gohan's level. Before that Vegeta said the gap between him and Goku hadn't changed from 7 years ago. That means SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SSJ2 Vegeta (tourney). Gohan seemed to be >= SPC or arguably weaker. So Vegeta wouldn't be in SSJ2 Kid Gohan's range before his boost.

[Tyro]

Majin Vegeta was only considered "Perhaps Stronger than Kid Gohan" by Piccolo.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gonna end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

[TheMightyOzaru]

Care to elaborate a little?

I don't see why I would have to elaborate here, but ok. Gohan was stated to be very slightly stronger than Dabura during their battle, his sloppiness prevented him from doing well. If Gohan is weaker than his Cell games self, how the heck is Gohan supposed to be stronger than someone who is equal to Cell?

[dbzfan7]

Majin Vegeta was only considered "Perhaps Stronger than Kid Gohan" by Piccolo.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gonna end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3
Context: as Vegeta fights Boo
Piccolo: “He’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…”

I'm talking about the quote that loops Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku in the same realm of power as SSJ2 Kid Gohan. I know Majin Vegeta is stronger than SSJ Kid Gohan, he's just not a lot stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Which shows that SSJ2 Vegeta (before the boost) is weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and most likely SPC.

[KentalSSJ6]

I think its been its been done before but..

Super Janemba VS Super Buu (no absorption)

[Kaboom]

Janemba is officially stronger than Hildegarn. Hildegarn easily KO'd Ultimate Gohan. Ultimate Gohan easily beat the tar out of Evil Boo.

So all that said, Janemba smacks down Evil Boo like it ain't no thang. He's probably got a strength advantage of several fold, and is more on-par with Boo when he absorbed Gotenks or Gohan.