The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:41 pm

As a continuation of my question regarding SSJ3 and Mystic Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell and Fat Buu, how do you think SSJ4 and SSJG Future Gohan would fare?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by MDSTSSJ » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:04 pm

Super Vegetto wrote:

SSJ2 Goku (Boo saga) vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Boo saga-Post Z sword).
Boo Arc SSJ2 Kakarotto wrecks SSJ2 Teen ( post Z sword ).

Boo Arc SSJ2 Goku is at least strong as enraged SSJ2 kid Gohan so Kakarotto win this due to his fighting skills that are above anyone!

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:23 pm

Gohan beats Goku, but it wont be an easy fight.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:30 pm

Zombie wrote:Gohan post z-sword was implied to be close to Fat Buu. He one shots Goku like nothing.
Not really. All we see is Gohan saying that his arm strength has increased a lot, and Kaioshin theorizing that through this training, Gohan will eventually obtain the ultimate power, but with Goku having doubts about it.

Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KaioGojita » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:41 pm

Super Saiyan God Son Goku vs Baby Vegeta from Dragon Ball GT?

I have always thought about this ever since the release of Battle Of Gods, I've thought since Super Saiyan Four gave Baby trouble but not so much in Great Ape form, would Super Saiyan God cause such great impact on Baby even in Great Ape form? Surely since the form was slightly on par with Birusu, who was shown to be in another league for Super Saiyan 3, than Super Saiyan God would destroy Baby IF instantly going for the kill due to the time limit for the transformation. However, surely Goku would try to perfect the transformation prior to his battle with Birusu and try to transform in another way besides the five Super Saiyans circulation.

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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:13 pm

Super Vegetto wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Gohan loses to Broly and Buu, IMO.

22nd Budokai Tenshinan (Can't use Ki) Vs. 22nd Budokai Yajirobe (Can't use sword)
You mean can't use Ki blasts ?



SSJ2 Goku (Boo saga) vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Boo saga-Post Z sword).
Yeah, no ki blasts or flying.
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Post by Tyro » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:27 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zombie wrote:Gohan post z-sword was implied to be close to Fat Buu. He one shots Goku like nothing.
Not really. All we see is Gohan saying that his arm strength has increased a lot, and Kaioshin theorizing that through this training, Gohan will eventually obtain the ultimate power, but with Goku having doubts about it.

Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”
I've always said that Goku wasn't actually wondering about it. Just politely saying "I don't think this will work." If it takes someone around SS3 Goku's level to beat Majin Boo, then it should be clear by Gohan's battle power if he could beat him or not. We know Gohan was weaker than Goku when he started his training, and even if he doubled his battle power in the one day it still shouldn't be a question if he could win. Example figures:

Goku: 10
SS: 500
SS2: 1,000
SS3: 4,000

Gohan (pre): 8
SS: 400
SS2: 800

Gohan (post): 16
SS: 800
SS2: 1,600

For Gohan's SS2 to be able to handle Majin Boo, he'd have to be like 2.5x stronger than Goku at base under this extreme case, or more like 4x under normal conditions.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:10 pm

KaioGojita wrote:Super Saiyan God Son Goku vs Baby Vegeta from Dragon Ball GT?

I have always thought about this ever since the release of Battle Of Gods, I've thought since Super Saiyan Four gave Baby trouble but not so much in Great Ape form, would Super Saiyan God cause such great impact on Baby even in Great Ape form? Surely since the form was slightly on par with Birusu, who was shown to be in another league for Super Saiyan 3, than Super Saiyan God would destroy Baby IF instantly going for the kill due to the time limit for the transformation. However, surely Goku would try to perfect the transformation prior to his battle with Birusu and try to transform in another way besides the five Super Saiyans circulation.
Ssj God Goku crush Bebi Vegeta's skull with his weenus.
Ssj God Goku: 50,000,000,000,000
Super Baby Vegeta 2: 3,000,000,000,000
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:45 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:As a continuation of my question regarding SSJ3 and Mystic Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell and Fat Buu, how do you think SSJ4 and SSJG Future Gohan would fare?
Depends on the SSJ4 multiplier. If you go by 4000, then he beats any version of Cell but loses to Fat Boo. If you go by 40,000 then he beats both. SSJG F. Gohan could beat both as well.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:38 pm

SSJ God Mirai Gohan stomps Buuhan.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:55 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:As a continuation of my question regarding SSJ3 and Mystic Future Gohan VS Perfect Cell and Fat Buu, how do you think SSJ4 and SSJG Future Gohan would fare?
Gohan destroys them.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:29 pm

On a scale of 1 to 10, how screwed is Cell right here?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:06 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10, how screwed is Cell right here?

Fuck ths scale. He's screwed just by looking at him

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:30 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10, how screwed is Cell right here?
Pretty screwed:
Perfect Cell: 4,500,000,000
SSJ4 Kid Gohan: 240,000,000,000
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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:59 pm

Videl Vs. Makoto Kino (Sailor Jupiter in her human form)

Makoto is physically the strongest of the main group, but I doubt her strength is too out there. Same for Videl, well sans the flying.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:02 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Videl Vs. Makoto Kino (Sailor Jupiter in her human form)

Makoto is physically the strongest of the main group, but I doubt her strength is too out there. Same for Videl, well sans the flying.
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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:11 pm

Anime Version.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:11 pm

Beers vs Super Yi Xing Long
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:19 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Anime Version.
Then I'll go with Videl

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Post by ZombieVito » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:01 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zombie wrote:Gohan post z-sword was implied to be close to Fat Buu. He one shots Goku like nothing.
Not really. All we see is Gohan saying that his arm strength has increased a lot, and Kaioshin theorizing that through this training, Gohan will eventually obtain the ultimate power, but with Goku having doubts about it.

Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”
That implies that if he turns SSJ2 he will be close to Majin Boo...... Goku even wondered that.

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