Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TheGmGoken]

t's just a bunch of poor interpretations of the characters getting into fights with one another, (...)
Oh, and also, it completely lacks the Toriyama feel.

For me it's one of the few fan-comics that has the exact Toriyama feel (other then DBM there's also Toyble's last chapter and a few parts of his DBAF). .

Really? this is a decent fan-comic but really never got the Toriyama feel in my opinion. This seems more of a Toei feel. Which isn't bad. Just not as good as a Toriyama feel would be.

[coola]

I'm sorry if i sound harsh, because we get this all for free, but, there really are a lot of interesting stuff here that i like, but, for me personally, pacing is problem, with 3 pages per week, you get feeling that stuff you don`t enjoy, drags on forever, with Mr. Toriyama, you had 12 pages/1 chapter on one day.

[rereboy]

I'm sorry if i sound harsh, because we get this all for free, but, there really are a lot of interesting stuff here that i like, but, for me personally, pacing is problem, with 3 pages per week, you get feeling that stuff you don`t enjoy, drags on forever, with Mr. Toriyama, you had 12 pages/1 chapter on one day.

That's entirely your fault and you have no one to blame but yourself. If you really don't like this pace, simply don't check out any new pages for a few months. That way, it would be like they decided to release all those pages you didn't check out all at once. If you simply can't do this, once again its exclusively your fault. No one is making you check out the new pages at any given pace.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm sorry if i sound harsh, because we get this all for free, but, there really are a lot of interesting stuff here that i like, but, for me personally, pacing is problem, with 3 pages per week, you get feeling that stuff you don`t enjoy, drags on forever, with Mr. Toriyama, you had 12 pages/1 chapter on one day.

That's entirely your fault and you have no one to blame but yourself. If you really don't like this pace, simply don't check out any new pages for a few months. That way, it would be like they decided to release all those pages you didn't check out all at once. If you simply can't do this, once again its exclusively your fault. No one is making you check out the new pages at any given pace.

That sounded rude...anyways. Sorry I tried this method and left for 1 - 4 months. From where I left off at. The story was only a few pages from where I left off at and I was extremely bored. I mean pacing is pacing. You can't blame the fans cause they dont like the pace. That's like blaming the fans for the Goku vs Freeza fight. "Oh no one is telling you to watch the entire fight. Just wait a few days/weeks(Depending where you live) and you can see the fight end"

[rereboy]

I merely stated the truth. It doesn't make sense to me to complain about something when the means to avoid the complaint are entirely in the hands of the one who is complaining.

And release schedule pacing and story pacing are entirely different things. His post was only about the release schedule pacing. The Freeza and Goku fight has story pacing problems, not release schedule pacing problems.

In my opinion, there can only be a release schedule pacing problem when that pace is incomprehensible and there's no apparent reason for it to be so slow, or fast or inconsistent. Other than that, since the reader/viewer is the one who ultimately decides when and at what pace to check out and read/watch the manga/show, I don't see any real problems that can arise. And DBM has very good reason for having a slow release schedule.

[Fionordequester]

One thing I will say is that Salagir probably should have planned things out a bit more carefully as far as the story goes. I mean, heck, it's true that even 8-Bit Theater could only pump out something like 3 pages a week, but that one never had filler! And the filler here is ridiculously long!

[rereboy]

All special chapters (filler) can be skipped without consequence (with the possible exception of the current one since its a relevant flashback).

[KaiserNeko]

One thing I will say is that Salagir probably should have planned things out a bit more carefully as far as the story goes. I mean, heck, it's true that even 8-Bit Theater could only pump out something like 3 pages a week, but that one never had filler! And the filler here is ridiculously long!

Yeah, but 8-Bit Theater was mostly graphics design and pixel art. There was very rarely any actual traditional art to speak of. Producing something like that, while complicated and still time consuming, is comparatively easier than pumping out the same amount of content with traditional art.

[Malik_DBNA]

Yeah, but 8-Bit Theater was mostly graphics design and pixel art. There was very rarely any actual traditional art to speak of. Producing something like that, while complicated and still time consuming, is comparatively easier than pumping out the same amount of content with traditional art.

Very true Kaiser. One page, start to finish if I can dedicate the time uninterrupted, can take me up to 4 hours depending on complexity. I don't doubt that 8-Bit Theater takes time, but being able to pump out pages with premade pixels, backgrounds, etc. definitely takes less time than illustrating an entire page from scratch

[testing223]

I don't understand why people are having a hard time getting the joke.

Could you explain please?!!

What didn't you understand? Gotenks got on the ring, acted like he was a random fan of Super Gotenks, stepped quickly to the side and continued the speech now talking as himself (Super Gotenks).

Oh I get it! I do not see why people did not understand that art work! Sorry if my english is not so good I did not understand what they meant!

[TonyTheTiger]

And release schedule pacing and story pacing are entirely different things.

That is absolutely not true. And it is especially apparent when jokes span multiple pages. Sitcoms don't stick commercial breaks in the middle of a gag. In fact, every TV show times commercial breaks properly regardless of the show's content. Same with comic books. Good comic books know how the layout will affect the reader. It's why a lot of big reveals will usually be on the left side so the reader gets the shock after flipping the previous page and not have it spoiled early. These things are not random. You can't say "well, it's your fault for reading it as it comes out" because I don't know too many clairvoyants who know in advance when timing is going to be an important factor.

Not to mention the catch 22. If you want to be a part of the discussion (such as this topic) then you really have no choice but to read it as it comes. Even if you don't like the release schedule, should you decide to wait until each chapter is finished to read it, you have to sacrifice being able to converse with the rest of the community due to spoilers.

[KaiserNeko]

And release schedule pacing and story pacing are entirely different things.

That is absolutely not true. And it is especially apparent when jokes span multiple pages. Sitcoms don't stick commercial breaks in the middle of a gag. In fact, every TV show times commercial breaks properly regardless of the show's content. Same with comic books. Good comic books know how the layout will affect the reader. It's why a lot of big reveals will usually be on the left side so the reader gets the shock after flipping the previous page and not have it spoiled early. These things are not random. You can't say "well, it's your fault for reading it as it comes out" because I don't too many clairvoyants who know in advance when timing is going to be an important factor.

This, exactly.

You cannot put the pacing primarily on the reader; that ignores a lot of relevant and crucial details of storytelling and, well, WHAT PACING IS ALL ABOUT.

[rereboy]

And release schedule pacing and story pacing are entirely different things.

That is absolutely not true.

Really? Then you are telling me that a series having an incoherent or incomprehensible release schedule that aggravates the fans is not different than reading/watching an entire series and finding that there are problems regarding the pace of the story?

Of course they are different problems. If you think that DBM has story pacing problems that's fine, but saying that its not different than release schedule problems is just not right. If you decided right now to read DBM from start to the latest page, you wouldn't find any of the release schedule problems, you would only find story related pacing problems if in your opinion they exist. Hence, they are different problems. How can you logically argue that they are no different?

And, once again, if you don't like reading DBM at the pace the pages are released, why don't you read them at your own pace...? You don't read comics just a few pages per week like you said. They WHY do you do it with DBM? They are not forcing to read it at that pace, are they? Simply wait a while until there are enough pages out there to satisfy you and read it. Then wait a while again. Simple.

This, exactly.

You cannot put the pacing primarily on the reader; that ignores a lot of relevant and crucial details of storytelling and, well, WHAT PACING IS ALL ABOUT.

This exactly what? That release schedule pacing is no different than story pacing?

A good story suddenly doesn't become a bad story because its divided on several parts that are released at a pace that the reader finds unpleasant. So no. What pacing is all about within storytelling has nothing to do with the release schedule at all. And yes, the pacing of the release schedule can be put primarily on the reader since its the reader that chooses at what pace he wants to follow the story once its released. Like I've already said, the only real problem that might exist regarding the pacing of the release schedule is when there is no valid reason for it to be that slow or that fast or that inconsistent because that might aggravate the fans and with good reason. But, when such a valid reason exists for the release schedule to be like that, I see no valid justification for the reader to complain since its ultimately in his hands to slow or speed up the pace at which he follows the story in coherence with his preferences.

[TheGmGoken]

A good story

Where did KaiserNeko say this was good? He said it was mediocre and he hates it.

[rereboy]

A good story

Where did KaiserNeko say this was good? He said it was mediocre and he hates it.

You have lots of problems understanding what I'm saying...

I never implied in that phrase that I was referring DBM as a good story. I merely stated that a good story, any good story, wouldn't become bad just because its divided in a lot of parts and released at a unpleasant pace. The story would be exactly the same and the pace of the actual story would still be the same.

[TheGmGoken]

And yes, the pacing of the release schedule can be put primarily on the reader since its the reader that chooses at what pace he wants to follow the story once its released.

Like that time I top reading DBM for 3 - 4 months and the story BARELY progressed. Yeah even with breaks in reading. The pacing is bad

[rereboy]

And yes, the pacing of the release schedule can be put primarily on the reader since its the reader that chooses at what pace he wants to follow the story once its released.

Like that time I top reading DBM for 3 - 4 months and the story BARELY progressed. Yeah even with breaks in reading. The pacing is bad

In 3 or 4 months DBM manages to get a whole chapter released or something like that. How much progress did you expect in just one chapter...? That is barely enough to cover two fights. You wanted to have every fight covered in just three or four pages? And THAT wouldn't actually be poor story pacing?

DBM, excluding fillers, only has enough material to fill something like 2 or 3 standard volumes of manga since a standard volume has a little more than 200 pages typically. Any typical fighting shonen manga gets a lot less done than DBM in just 2 or 3 volumes.

[TheGmGoken]

And yes, the pacing of the release schedule can be put primarily on the reader since its the reader that chooses at what pace he wants to follow the story once its released.

Like that time I top reading DBM for 3 - 4 months and the story BARELY progressed. Yeah even with breaks in reading. The pacing is bad

In 3 or 4 months DBM manages to get a whole chapter released or something like that. How much progress did you expect in just one chapter...? That is barely enough to cover two fights. You wanted to have every fight covered in just three or four pages? And THAT wouldn't actually be poor story pacing?

Um it wasn't a fight and the chapter led to very little plot progression in THAT special not the entire story but that one special.

[rereboy]

Um it wasn't a fight and the chapter led to very little plot progression in THAT special not the entire story but that one special.

A special chapter or, in other words, filler. And you expected actual significant progression in filler?

[TheGmGoken]

Um it wasn't a fight and the chapter led to very little plot progression in THAT special not the entire story but that one special.

A special chapter or, in other words, filler. And you expected actual significant progression in filler?

*Coughs*. I didn't say that. I said I know it would't effect the main plot progression...where did you see me saying the special is the issue. I said the special progression within the special(You know. The plot of the special. To explain the plot of the special and expanded it until it ends) was bad pacing.