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alright i'm very confused with cell's claim in the manga
there he makes this claim he has gathered enough chi to blow away the solar system
then herms translated this scan
Translation red words :“Everything’s super!! Declare this invincible Saiya-Power!!
Black words: “Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form). An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One’s personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell’s energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!“
So when i think about it cell's kamehameha doesn't have the radius to cover the entire solar system so does cell have the potency to hurt people with solar system durability or can cell really destroy a solar system?
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I personally think he could do either Sun or System. Either way the SS is mostly empty space.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
He could either destroy the sun which could effectively destroy the solar system, or he had enough enough energy to blow all the planets in the solar system plus the sun if he launched enough Ki attacks to reach every single one. I don't believe he was implying that he could engulf the entire solar system in a single Kamehameha attack.
Cell would destroy whole Solar System if he won beam struggle. The radius would become bigger and spread trough System, destroying everything in way...
Or maybe the force of blast would affect planets and attract them like gravity and that way destroying everything in path...
Vijay wrote:Even if DBZ and physics dont mix, its quite far-fetched to think THAT could destry the solar system. Solar system is HUGE.
Cell's blast may destroy the Sun, & might set off a chain-reaction which destroys other planets. That's a possible one.
Other than that, I dont think entire Solar System could be blown away.
Bills can destroy Solar System. Does that mean Solar System can't be blown away ?
Yeah. But Bills: God of Destruction
Super Perfect Cell : Either Superior or Inferior to SSJ2 Gohan
Now, thats quite a HUGE gap to bridge to support Cell's claim as Solar System buster.
It doesn't matter who is character. It only matters if he has enough power to do it. Cell says that he can do it, so your opinion contradicts with his words.
I personally believe that Cell (and stronger guys like Beers or SS4 Gogeta) can destroy the Solar System by blowing up the Sun, whose explosion will take all the planets in the system with it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Super Vegetto wrote:
It doesn't matter who is character. It only matters if he has enough power to do it. Cell says that he can do it, so your opinion contradicts with his words.
Simple as that...
It matters because not everyone can do it.
If Cell says he has power to blow the entire Solar System, believe him.
We can not be contradicting what the characters say in DB (unless they are intentionally lying for justified causes or whatever). Even what the characters says are above what Toriyama says.
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Super Vegetto wrote:
It doesn't matter who is character. It only matters if he has enough power to do it. Cell says that he can do it, so your opinion contradicts with his words.
Simple as that...
It matters because not everyone can do it.
If Cell says he has power to blow the entire Solar System, believe him.
We can not be contradicting what the characters say in DB (unless they are intentionally lying for justified causes or whatever). Even what the characters says, are above what Toriyama says.
The character doesn't nead to be a God to have abbility like that. Cell is perfect example how with enough ki you can have feats like God of Destruction...
The character doesn't nead to be a God to have abbility like that. Cell is perfect example how with enough ki you can have feats like God of Destruction...
He can destroy which destroys the solar system or Toriyama said "fuck science and math" and just saying that Cerll is going to destroy everything in the solar system because he can and will had he lost.
He probably just meant blowing up the sun. That would match well with what goes on in the DBO timeline. No sun, no solar system.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
!! Yes, I totally agree with you!
