Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[TheGmGoken]

It's better than no plan at all mentioned.

As I said earlier.

Who's we? Goku didn't mention Trunks in his speech. He said Gohan could do it if he focused and put his mind to it. Since fusion is going to happen he really should have just said that they'd do that.

I notice that to. But I'm pretty sure Gohan doesn;t want to hurt Trunks feeling . Also this isn't the first time in DB that for some reasons "we" was inserted even though it was directed to one person. Though I would have prefer the speech to talk about the next Generation rather than just Gohan which gives the same information and includes fusions without saying the word fusion.

[dbzfan7]

It's better than no plan at all mentioned.

As I said earlier.

Who's we? Goku didn't mention Trunks in his speech. He said Gohan could do it if he focused and put his mind to it. Since fusion is going to happen he really should have just said that they'd do that.

I notice that to. But I'm pretty sure Gohan doesn;t want to hurt Trunks feeling . Also this isn't the first time in DB that for some reasons "we" was inserted even though it was directed to one person. Though I would have prefer the speech to talk about the next Generation rather than just Gohan which gives the same information and includes fusions without saying the word fusion.

Still think the bluntness would be fine. Might as well since Trunks is out of nowhere strong enough to fuse with Gohan.

[Malik_DBNA]

Still think the bluntness would be fine. Might as well since Trunks is out of nowhere strong enough to fuse with Gohan.

No he won't be.

[dbzfan7]

Still think the bluntness would be fine. Might as well since Trunks is out of nowhere strong enough to fuse with Gohan.

No he won't be.

Well no matter how I look at it like others have said, it's still ridiculous. Unless some deus ex machina power from out of nowhere helped. I don't even think the Elder Kaioshin releasing his potential would put him close to Gohan. Trunks doesn't seem to have hidden powers, he's just really talented like Goku and Vegeta, except with a higher starting point.

[Malik_DBNA]

"I can use my psychic powers to make even the strongest fighter get stronger than his natural limits."

That quote alone makes it seem as though Elder Kaioshin can perform the ritual on anyone. I think at that point its just a matter of how deep their well of power is.

[hulkty]

"I can use my psychic powers to make even the strongest fighter get stronger than his natural limits."

That quote alone makes it seem as though Elder Kaioshin can perform the ritual on anyone. I think at that point its just a matter of how deep their well of power is.

...wait. ...Are you planning to make a Mystic/Ultimate/Elder Kai Unlock Ability Trunks now?

[Malik_DBNA]

I have plans for Trunks. Like I said, I did some rewrites for this saga and they actually benefitted future sagas. What those plans are, well I can't say 'cuz that'd be telling.

Speaking of future sagas, I have spent the majority of the day coming up with sketches and scenarios for newly designed characters, including a new female antagonist.

[TheGmGoken]

I have plans for Trunks. Like I said, I did some rewrites for this saga and they actually benefitted future sagas. What those plans are, well I can't say 'cuz that'd be telling.

Speaking of future sagas, I have spent the majority of the day coming up with sketches and scenarios for newly designed characters, including a new female antagonist.

If she gets fan service I'm done. Maybe 1 or 2 but I mean full on fan service. I honestly tried of seeing manga and anime having 88 panels of fan service.

[dbzfan7]

"I can use my psychic powers to make even the strongest fighter get stronger than his natural limits."

That quote alone makes it seem as though Elder Kaioshin can perform the ritual on anyone. I think at that point its just a matter of how deep their well of power is.

Of course he can. But it took Gohan an extra long amount of time because he had so much hidden power. Trunks just got a high power level at birth instead of hidden power, he doesn't really have a high dormant power like Gohan. So even going through the ritual wouldn't be enough. He would be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks which is an even more ludicrous boost than what GT did with Base Goku>SSJ3 Goku

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Trunks just got a high power level at birth instead of hidden power, he doesn't really have a high dormant power like Gohan. So even going through the ritual wouldn't be enough.

We don't know that for sure.

He would be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks which is an even more ludicrous boost than what GT did with Base Goku>SSJ3 Goku

I don't see the problem, since we would have a logical explanation for Trunks' power-up.

[dbzfan7]

We don't know that for sure.

It's never remotely hinted that he has hidden power. He's just extremely powerful for his age.

I don't see the problem, since we would have a logical explanation for Trunks' power-up.

Not only is he weaker than Gohan, but he doesn't have any "known" hidden potential. Ergo the ritual would still not be enough.

[Malik_DBNA]

I think the matter is less about him having the hidden powers and more about how his potential would stack up against Gohan's if he does have hidden strength. Gohan was known for being far stronger than average saiyan children at his age, and shows that he can involuntarily tap into his enormous reservoir of strength in his rage. Trunks, however, was born FAR more powerful than even adult saiyans. During the world tournament, he demonstrated that his powers are far beyond what Goku, Vegeta, and even Gohan were at his age. Trunks may have, likely like all saiyans/ half-saiyans, a well of strength like Gohan, but his might not be as large.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It is stated that everyone has hidden/dormant powers, except if they have used all of them through training. Goku, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, Yamu, Spopovitch, and Vegeta (and most likely Nail, Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon as well) have all gotten their hidden powers drawn out (Goku through the Super Sacred Water, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, and possibly Nail through Saichouro, Spopovitch, Yamu, Vegeta, and possibly Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon through Babidi, and Gohan again through Rou Kaioshin). Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 3, and Super Saiyan 4 are also stated to draw hidden power, with implies that all Saiyan forms draw hidden power. Gohan is special because he can draw his hidden powers by getting angry, an ability that no one else has displayed. Both Goten & Trunks are stated to have high dormant power in D2.

So, since the Saiyan Halflings are implied to have more dormant power inside them than the full-blooded Saiyans, and since Trunks is still weaker than Vegeta, and hasn't trained extremely hard for long periods like him, he could easily have less, equal, or more dormant power than Gohan (same goes for Goten). In other words, he gets as strong as the writer wants him to be.

[KentalSSJ6]

It is stated that everyone has hidden/dormant powers, except if they have used all of them through training. Goku, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, Yamu, Spopovitch, and Vegeta (and most likely Nail, Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon as well) have all gotten their hidden powers drawn out (Goku through the Super Sacred Water, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, and possibly Nail through Saichouro, Spopovitch, Yamu, Vegeta, and possibly Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon through Babidi, and Gohan again through Rou Kaioshin). Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 3, and Super Saiyan 4 are also stated to draw hidden power, with implies that all Saiyan forms draw hidden power. Gohan is special because he can draw his hidden powers by getting angry, an ability that no one else has displayed. Both Goten & Trunks are stated to have high dormant power in D2.

So, since the Saiyan Halflings are implied to have more dormant power inside them than the full-blooded Saiyans, and since Trunks is still weaker than Vegeta, and hasn't trained extremely hard for long periods like him, he could easily have less, equal, or more dormant power than Gohan (same goes for Goten). In other words, he gets as strong as the writer wants him to be.

Trunks better get his but over to Old Kai then. Id kill to see a Mystic Trunks and it would only make Trunhan that much more powerful.

[dbzfan7]

It is stated that everyone has hidden/dormant powers, except if they have used all of them through training. Goku, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, Yamu, Spopovitch, and Vegeta (and most likely Nail, Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon as well) have all gotten their hidden powers drawn out (Goku through the Super Sacred Water, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, and possibly Nail through Saichouro, Spopovitch, Yamu, Vegeta, and possibly Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon through Babidi, and Gohan again through Rou Kaioshin). Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 3, and Super Saiyan 4 are also stated to draw hidden power, with implies that all Saiyan forms draw hidden power. Gohan is special because he can draw his hidden powers by getting angry, an ability that no one else has displayed. Both Goten & Trunks are stated to have high dormant power in D2.

So, since the Saiyan Halflings are implied to have more dormant power inside them than the full-blooded Saiyans, and since Trunks is still weaker than Vegeta, and hasn't trained extremely hard for long periods like him, he could easily have less, equal, or more dormant power than Gohan (same goes for Goten). In other words, he gets as strong as the writer wants him to be.

Except the fact we never get any hint of this in the manga. It's like Tenshinhan being stated to have fought 19. The SEG has no mention of dormant power in SSJ3 and only says it has 4x the power of SSJ2 (SEG came after the D7). Trunks doesn't have powers he can't access (or at least a massive reserve). He's shown to just be an incredibly strong kid. He has massive potential and that's it. He has shown like all the Halflings they can learn and develop faster than the Adults. I find it ridiculous to believe that Trunks has hidden powers that are GREATER THAN HIS SSJ3 FUSED FORM. If this is okay, there is no reason to complain about Base Goku>SSJ3 Goku as you can just call it sparing gains with an SSJ3 like opponent just like how Piccolo was near SSJ level after training with an SSJ

[Malik_DBNA]

It is stated that everyone has hidden/dormant powers, except if they have used all of them through training. Goku, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, Yamu, Spopovitch, and Vegeta (and most likely Nail, Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon as well) have all gotten their hidden powers drawn out (Goku through the Super Sacred Water, Kuririn, Gohan, Dende, and possibly Nail through Saichouro, Spopovitch, Yamu, Vegeta, and possibly Dabra, Pui Pui, and Yakon through Babidi, and Gohan again through Rou Kaioshin). Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 3, and Super Saiyan 4 are also stated to draw hidden power, with implies that all Saiyan forms draw hidden power. Gohan is special because he can draw his hidden powers by getting angry, an ability that no one else has displayed. Both Goten & Trunks are stated to have high dormant power in D2.

So, since the Saiyan Halflings are implied to have more dormant power inside them than the full-blooded Saiyans, and since Trunks is still weaker than Vegeta, and hasn't trained extremely hard for long periods like him, he could easily have less, equal, or more dormant power than Gohan (same goes for Goten). In other words, he gets as strong as the writer wants him to be.

Except the fact we never get any hint of this in the manga. It's like Tenshinhan being stated to have fought 19. The SEG has no mention of dormant power in SSJ3 and only says it has 4x the power of SSJ2 (SEG came after the D7). Trunks doesn't have powers he can't access (or at least a massive reserve). He's shown to just be an incredibly strong kid. He has massive potential and that's it. He has shown like all the Halflings they can learn and develop faster than the Adults. I find it ridiculous to believe that Trunks has hidden powers that are GREATER THAN HIS SSJ3 FUSED FORM. If this is okay, there is no reason to complain about Base Goku>SSJ3 Goku as you can just call it sparing gains with an SSJ3 like opponent just like how Piccolo was near SSJ level after training with an SSJ

In DBNA, GT Goku was not equal to Z SSJ3 Goku. I have Goku around 350 Million base in GT.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Except the fact we never get any hint of this in the manga.

You mean the fact that it is stated that everyone has dormant power inside them? Kuririn didn't show any hints about it (he even thought that he was past his limits), yet he had still plenty inside him, and he was an Earthling. Trunks however, is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling, so he should have much more.

It's like Tenshinhan being stated to have fought 19.

It is completely different. Trunks having dormant power is extra information that doesn't contradict anything, while Tenshinhan fighting #19 is false information that never happened.

The SEG has no mention of dormant power in SSJ3 and only says it has 4x the power of SSJ2 (SEG came after the D7).

This is literally the only thing SEG says about SS3. We don't get a description for SS3 from what I know, unlike in D7. And there is also GT Perfect Files saying the same thing for SS4, and D2 saying that SSFP draws the hidden powers to their limits. There is plenty of evidence that the Saiyan forms are related with hidden powers.

Trunks doesn't have powers he can't access (or at least a massive reserve). He's shown to just be an incredibly strong kid. He has massive potential and that's it. He has shown like all the Halflings they can learn and develop faster than the Adults.

Massive power from young age & massive gains at short time could mean massive dormant power, depending on how you view dormant power.

I find it ridiculous to believe that Trunks has hidden powers that are GREATER THAN HIS SSJ3 FUSED FORM.

If Gohan could do it, then why not Trunks? Ultimate Gohan should be stronger than a hypothetical SS3 Fusion of him & Goku or Vegeta.

If this is okay, there is no reason to complain about Base Goku>SSJ3 Goku as you can just call it sparing gains with an SSJ3 like opponent

Goku never got his dormant powers drawn out for him to be above SS3 in base. If he had, there would be no issue. But since all he did was simply training like all these years, it doesn't make any sense.

just like how Piccolo was near SSJ level after training with an SSJ

Piccolo was a merged fighter at that point, so he can have potential to get much stronger if the author wants to.

Like I said before, it can go either way. Someone may believe that Trunks has more dormant power than Gohan because he was born with higher battle power. Someone else may believe that Gohan has more dormant power because he gets stronger through anger, which could mean that he has more hidden power. A third person may think that they have the same amount because they belong to the same race (Saiyan/Earthling Halflings). All 3 opinions/interpretations are correct, so we will have to go by the author's opinion/interpretation.

[dbzfan7]

You mean the fact that it is stated that everyone has dormant power inside them? Kuririn didn't show any hints about it (he even thought that he was past his limits), yet he had still plenty inside him, and he was an Earthling. Trunks however, is a Saiyan/Earthling Halfling, so he should have much more.

Yeah and it was an ass pull for Krillin. Trunks has just shown incredible power.

It is completely different. Trunks having dormant power is extra information that doesn't contradict anything, while Tenshinhan fighting #19 is false information that never happened.

Then Appule has an older brother in space. Not contradicted either.

This is literally the only thing SEG says about SS3. We don't get a description for SS3 from what I know, unlike in D7. And there is also GT Perfect Files saying the same thing for SS4, and D2 saying that SSFP draws the hidden powers to their limits. There is plenty of evidence that the Saiyan forms are related with hidden powers.

Which is why SSJ3 and FPSSJ were changed. Neither now mention that. Saiyan forms are different than massive hidden potential.

Massive power from young age & massive gains at short time could mean massive dormant power, depending on how you view dormant power.

Or it could mean he's just really talented like Goku and Vegeta.

If Gohan could do it, then why not Trunks? Ultimate Gohan should be stronger than a hypothetical SS3 Fusion of him & Goku or Vegeta.

I don't think so. A fusion between him and Goku would be above Ultimate Gohan.

Goku never got his dormant powers drawn out for him to be above SS3 in base. If he had, there would be no issue. But since all he did was simply training like all these years, it doesn't make any sense.

Training with powerful opponents always nets huge gains. He's training with the potential equivalent of Kid Boo. I.E. Like Piccolo

Piccolo was a merged fighter at that point, so he can have potential to get much stronger if the author wants to.

Piccolo caps at 2nd form Freeza, then all the sudden becomes way stronger than base Goku who was stronger than him. I don't think so.

Like I said before, it can go either way. Someone may believe that Trunks has more dormant power than Gohan because he was born with higher battle power. Someone else may believe that Gohan has more dormant power because he gets stronger through anger, which could mean that he has more hidden power. A third person may think that they have the same amount because they belong to the same race (Saiyan/Earthling Halflings). All 3 opinions/interpretations are correct, so we will have to go by the author's opinion/interpretation.

Except that if they had that kind of hidden power it would be referenced like Gohan's was. Yet it's not. They are just refered to as really talented kids.


Gohan fusing with Trunks is like Goku fusing with Broly. It's just soo wrong.

[Malik_DBNA]

Ass pull or not, he does have a point about Krillin. Not a single time was it mentioned that he had hidden strength beforehand, only when it happened. Also, say Trunks was to get his hidden strength, if any, released. At this point in DBNA, he is far more powerful than he was a child (I have him around 60 million now, compared to 44 million during the battle with Bills). At 60 million, if he were to fuse with Goten, his Gotenks SSJ3 form would be around 240 Billion. Gohan, by comparision, I had at 180 Billion with his then-known dormant strength drawn out to its maximum (I have it lower now since he has not been training up until recently). If Trunks' dormant strength well was around 120-140 billion, I don't think it would be much of a stretch

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah and it was an ass pull for Krillin. Trunks has just shown incredible power.

For Goku, Kuririn, Dende, Spopovitch, Yamu, and Vegeta?...

Then Appule has an older brother in space. Not contradicted either.

Sure, who knows?

Which is why SSJ3 and FPSSJ were changed. Neither now mention that. Saiyan forms are different than massive hidden potential.

Oozaru was symbolizing Goku's hidden power in the manga/anime. Super Saiyan Full Power draws the hidden power of the Saiyan to their limits. Gohan transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 by triggering his hidden powers through his rage. Super Saiyan 3 & Super Saiyan 4 draw the hidden power of the Saiyan to its utmost limits.

All these are facts.

Or it could mean he's just really talented like Goku and Vegeta.

No, Goku & Vegeta were born with extremely low battle power compared to Trunks, or even Gohan.

I don't think so. A fusion between him and Goku would be above Ultimate Gohan.

Well, your opinion then I guess. Not gonna argue with that.

Training with powerful opponents always nets huge gains. He's training with the potential equivalent of Kid Boo. I.E. Like Piccolo

It always gives huge gains, but not over x400 increases. Especially when Goku is at the level he was.

Piccolo caps at 2nd form Freeza, then all the sudden becomes way stronger than base Goku who was stronger than him. I don't think so.

Piccolo, who had possibly more room to get stronger, merged with Nail, who also had possibly more room to get stronger. So this new Piccolo should have much more room than old Piccolo & Nail combined, proven by his gains in the Artificial Humans arc.

Except that if they had that kind of hidden power it would be referenced like Gohan's was. Yet it's not. They are just refered to as really talented kids.

And what about Goku, Kuririn, Dende, Spopovitch, Yamu, and Vegeta? If they didn't have their hidden powers drawn out, we wouldn't know anything about them. Trunks can't draw hidden power through his rage, but he does have hidden power, like everyone.