How powerful are the humans in the Android arc?

[ZombieVito]

No way Krillin is that weak. He was considder of great help against Freeza (530K).

[Super Vegetto]

Yeah he is probably around 300k when they face Frieza's 1st form...

[Tyro]

Yeah he is probably around 300k when they face Freeza's 1st form...

While the Namek arc is a raging shitstorm of strange, time-influenced power ups, that seems a bit extreme to me. But maybe not, if even Kuririn felt like he could help against Freeza.

[Blade]

Yeah he is probably around 300k when they face Freeza's 1st form...

That implies that, in the space of a day, he suddenly manages to go from being brutally outclassed by Recoom to far surpassing Captain Ginyu.

By the time he battles Freeza his power has increased, but not to that extent. His ability to be effective against Freeza is purely down to the combined strength in numbers of himself, Gohan, Piccolo and Vegeta.

[Kid Buu]

Not strong enough to do beat the villains without a gimmicky move, that's their level.

[Super Vegetto]

Yeah he is probably around 300k when they face Freeza's 1st form...

That implies that, in the space of a day, he suddenly manages to go from being brutally outclassed by Recoom to far surpassing Captain Ginyu.

By the time he battles Freeza his power has increased, but not to that extent. His ability to be effective against Freeza is purely down to the combined strength in numbers of himself, Gohan, Piccolo and Vegeta.

He got potential unlock and his power could go up after some time. He was around Goku/Ginyu level just like Gohan, yet same thing should go for Gohan because he also didn't got any kind of zenkai after that fight.

Logicly they should be around 50,000 at max, but Vegeta noticed power incrise in them and says that they will do good against Frieza. It seams that Potential Unlock neaded some time to actualy relise some of bigger potential power.

There is no other explanation...

[Blade]

Yeah he is probably around 300k when they face Freeza's 1st form...

That implies that, in the space of a day, he suddenly manages to go from being brutally outclassed by Recoom to far surpassing Captain Ginyu.

By the time he battles Freeza his power has increased, but not to that extent. His ability to be effective against Freeza is purely down to the combined strength in numbers of himself, Gohan, Piccolo and Vegeta.

He got potential unlock and his power could go up after some time. He was around Goku/Ginyu level just like Gohan, yet same thing should go for Gohan because he also didn't got any kind of zenkai after that fight.

Logicly they should be around 50,000 at max, but Vegeta noticed power incrise in them and says that they will do good against Freeza. It seams that Potential Unlock neaded some time to actualy relise some of bigger potential power.

There is no other explanation...

I always took Vegeta's remarks as being duplicitous with the intention of:

A) Supporting his boasts and maintaining his pride as he stood up to Freeza
B) Encouraging Gohan and Krillin to fight alongside him by giving them confidence in their abilities.

[Super Vegetto]

I always took Vegeta's remarks as being duplicitous with the intention of:

A) Supporting his boasts and maintaining his pride as he stood up to Freeza
B) Encouraging Gohan and Krillin to fight alongside him by giving them confidence in their abilities.[/quote]


Yeah but even Gohan and Krillin know that they have improved to the point where they can beat Frieza if they work together.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”

Their power is steadily rising, so i don't see why they shouldn't surpass anyone besides Vegeta and Frieza at this point.

[Nazi Cola]

Chapter: 268 (DBZ 74), P13.1
Context: Vegeta turned down Zarbon’s proposal to fight Freeza together…by killing him.
Vegeta: “If Freeza could be defeated just by teaming with the likes of you…then I wouldn’t have any trouble…”

Krillin > Zarbon at the absolute very least. Good starting point.

Chapter: 282 (DBZ 88), P15.1
Context: talking to Goku
Vegeta: “You seem confident after becoming so overwhelmingly strong, but you absolutely can’t win against Freeza like this! Not unless you were immortal! You don’t understand a thing about how fearsome Freeza is!”

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P1.1
Goku: “I think that I’ve gotten pretty strong, if I say so myself…But you’re saying that I still absolutely can’t beat Freeza…!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. If you want to fight him, you’d better prepare yourself. Freeza’s strength is most likely far beyond your imagination…”

If Vegeta felt Kaio-ken Goku's power against Ginyu (180,000), then this would mean Krillin (and Gohan) must be above 180,000 as well, which is clearly far out of Ginyu's reach.

[Tyro]

Their power is steadily rising, so i don't see why they shouldn't surpass anyone besides Vegeta and Freeza at this point.

It's because it's a ridiculously haxxed power up, that's why. They went from <3,000 to over 10,000 to over 23,000 to approximately 300,000 in a few hours! Just because. When the power up seemed to end it just keeps going. Vegeta's zenkai as well. From below Goku to approximately Freeza's full power. Just because.

It's just bad writing. We can only bend what we can guess might be the causes, like Vegeta needing sleep and the potential unlocking...just working like that or something. Not to mention Piccolo's haxxed power up on Kaio's.

But if we're supposed to take them at their word, you get a Piccolo who's well over 42,000, a Vegeta who's not too far from 500,000 and a Gohan and Kuririn who're in the hundreds of thousands. Fuck logic.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Krillin: 130,000
Tenshinhan: 104,000
Yamcha: 75,000
Chaozu: 15,000

I'd like to second what Godo said above. Can we please provide some justification before throwing out arbitrary numbers? Saying "Krillin's at 130,000" doesn't really invite much discussion.

They got a little stronger than their Freeza arc selves. I don't know what more you could possibly want . I have increased them since I posted that comment though:
Krillin: 150,000
Tenshinhan: 108,000
Yamcha: 75,000
Chaozu: 15,000

[Piccolo jr]

I have the Krillin and Tien above third form Frieza and Yamcha between second and third form Frieza.