As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

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As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by Bullza » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:59 pm

Going by all the main villains throughout Dragon Ball you had

Piccolo - A Demon King who really was just a regular evil alien.

Vegeta - The strongest alien of his race that lived for fighting.

Frieza - The strongest alien in the universe (till later proven otherwise).

Cell - A Biological Android made up of some of the best fighters in the universe.

Buu - A magical demon Genie.

And now BoG introduces a God, specifically a God of Destruction. It all seems sorta logical and is a nice progression on the level of threats but how do you top that?

They've done Aliens, Androids, Demons, Magical entities, Gods. What could they possibly do to top that?
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:01 pm

More robots and cyborgs. However, they MUST be built by a crazy old man alone with limited resources, otherwise they won't be powerful enough.

And seriously, why does Beers keep getting categorized with King Piccolo and the rest? He's a movie character.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by Bullza » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:10 pm

Bills is canon that's why.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:14 pm

Bullza wrote:Bills is canon that's why.
No, he's not. There is no canon.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by Super Vegetto » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:16 pm

Bullza wrote:Going by all the main villains throughout Dragon Ball you had

Piccolo - A Demon King who really was just a regular evil alien.

Vegeta - The strongest alien of his race that lived for fighting.

Freeza - The strongest alien in the universe (till later proven otherwise).

Cell - A Biological Android made up of some of the best fighters in the universe.

Buu - A magical demon Genie.

And now BoG introduces a God, specially a God of Destruction. It all seems sorta logical and is a nice progression on the level of threats but how do you top that?

They've done Aliens, Androids, Demons, Magical entities, Gods. What could they possibly do to top that?

If they ever make more movies, only thing that can top Bills is Other Gods of Destruction (from other 11 universes).

And all of that can be toped by God that created every universe and other gods...

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:24 pm

Aliens, Artificial Humans, Demons, Hakaishin, Makaio, and Makaioshin from other universes.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by Vijay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:48 pm

Can we go out of DBZ universe?

I mean, guys like Tenchi Muyo would make DBZ-verse villains like kittens.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:51 pm

A strong ki user who is also a wizard.
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Post by Unicorn_Bazooka » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:59 pm

EXISTENCE ITSELF.

If it's even possible to battle? Or why would they battle it anyway?

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:19 pm

Unicorn_Bazooka wrote:EXISTENCE ITSELF.

If it's even possible to battle? Or why would they battle it anyway?
Well...they could kinda Gurren Lagann-ish it a little. Maybe. Or something? I'unno.

Let's not forget, there's also this fertile Makaio and Makaioshin stuff they bring up in one of the guidebooks and Online (or at least speculated to be, I think?) that they could bring up, though that would still be in the 'Gods' territory. Honestly though? I have no problem with WHAT a villain they bring in is, so long as the story around him or her is interesting, as is the plot around them. Hell, they can throw out a new human villain that's amazingly strong and I'm fine with it.
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:26 pm

Galactus. It's only a matter of time :mrgreen:

But seriously, probably an invincible, demonic entity with the ability to drain the powers of his enemies and leave them powerless until someone's able to effectively stun him--which would help them regain their powers. Attacks powered by Chi would have no effect on him, so they'd have to find another way to defeat him.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:32 pm

Genie from Aladdin. Just to see Robin Williams in a DB setting.
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Post by Bullza » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:57 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:A strong ki user who is also a wizard.
Well Buu is already similar to that.

Going from a God to a Wizard would be a step down aswell.

God level is pretty much as high as you can get. As someone else said the God of the multiverse and all Gods would be a logical step up but it'd be kinda silly if he just happened to be a villain that had fighting ability. You can expect that from a God of Destruction but a God of all Gods seems....I dunno.

As for those who mentioned Demons, maybe it has already been done before though with Dabura who was supposed to be the strongest in the demon realm.

I think probably the way to go would be like how Vegeta was a very powerful alien and then Frieza was the most powerful alien, Bills was a powerful God of Destruction and the next villain could be the most powerful God of Destruction.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:43 pm

Bullza wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:A strong ki user who is also a wizard.
Well Buu is already similar to that.
Buu was a magical being that was also a ki user, I mean maybe someone who is not only stronger than Buu but makes Babidi look like a novice in magic.
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Post by Gonstead » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:22 pm

Justice Lords versions of the Z-Warriors ^_^
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:52 pm

Honestly I didnt think they could come up with anything past the "Shadow Dragons"... I mean, the freaking Dragon Balls turning evil.. there are very few things that could come after that.
Gonstead wrote:Justice Lords versions of the Z-Warriors ^_^
How would that work exactly? Most of the Z fighters were already "bad" at some point already.

The only difference that might be there is that the not so nice z fighters wont be afraid to "cut loose" or restrict themselves.. So SSJ "Justice Lords" Vegeta just might crack the planet with his fist.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:13 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:And seriously, why does Beers keep getting categorized with King Piccolo and the rest? He's a movie character.
A lot of people, including myself, incorporate him into the manga's continuity. That's why he's categorized with Piccolo. He's also the first "villain" not be beaten AT ALL. He's ridiculously strong in comparison to the main cast, and he has a very likable character. I honestly prefer him to every villain excluding Vegeta, though I almost don't count him since he's a dynamic character.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:18 pm

I don't think it would be impossible to make a character stronger then the Shadow Dragons. Gero made Cyborgs stronger then Freeza who can destroy a large Planet and Doctor Myuu was able to make a Machine Mutant stronger then Kid Buu (I guess Kid Buu since Goku never stated which Buu he was talking about. If he was stronger then Super Buu 3/Buuhan then he would gone SSj3 against General Rildo). If we go by power scaling in GT then Super Bebi Vegeta is stronger then Birus. Goku stated that Bebi's ki was greater then anything that he has seen.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by Chuquita » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:22 pm

Re: Topping Beers

Long answer - A reality-warper with a wider array of what he or she can do and a high enough level of intelligence where he or she can exchange regular dialogue with the cast.

Short answer - A smarter version of Janemba (not the same origin though) with a bigger variety / crazier number of reality-warping powers.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:34 pm

Chuquita wrote:Re: Topping Beers

Long answer - A reality-warper with a wider array of what he or she can do and a high enough level of intelligence where he or she can exchange regular dialogue with the cast.

Short answer - A smarter version of Janemba (not the same origin though) with a bigger variety / crazier number of reality-warping powers.
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