Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
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Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
What the title says.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Jako Ginga Patrol happened where Jako Ginga Patrol happened. Jako Ginga Patrol happens to not happen where Jako Ginga Patrol does not happen, in this case Jako Ginga Patrol happens to not happen where Jako Ginga Patrol did not happen, the 1984 Dragon Ball comic.
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Yes, Jacob, we get your "it only happens where it happens" shtick. I fully believe you're capable of leaving a more interesting and helpful response than this, though.JulieYBM wrote:Jako Ginga Patrol happened where Jako Ginga Patrol happened. Jako Ginga Patrol happens to not happen where Jako Ginga Patrol does not happen, in this case Jako Ginga Patrol happens to not happen where Jako Ginga Patrol did not happen, the 1984 Dragon Ball comic.
Personally, I'm of mixed-minds. I generally like to go with a strict definition of "only if it was debuted as part of the original production during its original run from the original author himself in the same original format" -- that's where my example of "I disregard Buffy Season 8" comes into play, even with its production by Whedon.
On the other hand, I just don't care. Jaco is a fun story that I enjoyed, so why not? I have no problem adding to the world!
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
It falls into the other quasi-canon non-manga, non-guidebook material including: Bardock TV Special, Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return, Neko Majin, and Battle of Gods.
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I haven't read it, but Toriyama wrote it and put Dragon Ball characters in it, so yes!
Better question: will there ever be a scenario where Jaco's canonity obliterates previously established facts in the Dragon World?
Better question: will there ever be a scenario where Jaco's canonity obliterates previously established facts in the Dragon World?
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
I don't see a reason not to consider it canon. Just as Mike said, it was fun to read and very enjoyable, so why not? 
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
I don't know for sure if I count it as 100% in my own personal canon yet or not, but I do like certain elements of it...I'll decide how much I like it and how well I think it fits after I actually get to read the whole thing.
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
It can't be part of something that doesn't exist.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
There is the personal canon, which is what I ask.RandomGuy96 wrote:It can't be part of something that doesn't exist.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well, I guess the straight-forward way isn't the path to take here.
'Canon' to what, the 1984 comic? The events of Jako Ginga Patrol do not happen under that banner, just like the exact events of the former do not fall under the latter. I am not sure what else there is to say about it, because 'canon' is such an abstract concept. These are separate, independent works that exist on their own terms. They are a part of a franchise but neither has any more objective value. Unless we're going to call 'financial value' the only definition of 'objective value'.
'Canon' to what, the 1984 comic? The events of Jako Ginga Patrol do not happen under that banner, just like the exact events of the former do not fall under the latter. I am not sure what else there is to say about it, because 'canon' is such an abstract concept. These are separate, independent works that exist on their own terms. They are a part of a franchise but neither has any more objective value. Unless we're going to call 'financial value' the only definition of 'objective value'.
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
I only go as far as accepting Dragon Ball related material as canon. Goku can show up in Arale's manga, forgive me I don't know what it's called, and Jaco all he wants, it's still not Dragon Ball.
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
Assuming it was canon, would it change anything?
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Re: Do you consider Jaco The Galactic Patrolman canon?
The only thing it would change for me is it'd make Goku's inevitable fall and resulting head injury a little more tragic as the Goku in Jaco appears to be a small child already instead of a baby and even though injuries are sad no matter what the age, it feels more potent seeing a small child lose his memories than a baby that due to being a baby wouldn't be old enough to either really form memories or to understand (as far as I know. I'm not a doctor. Anyone with greater medical knowledge, I'd appreciate additional insight).
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The only thing that doesn't seem to fit is that the galactic patrol organization (which apparently operates under the jurisdiction of the "galactic king") would not seem like the kind of thing that Frieza would allow to exist, since he was the effective ruler of the galaxy at that point.
Either the name was just a hyperbole and the "galactic king" only ruled a small part of the galaxy, or Frieza just tolerated him and his organization for some reason.
Either the name was just a hyperbole and the "galactic king" only ruled a small part of the galaxy, or Frieza just tolerated him and his organization for some reason.
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The galaxy is very, very, very, very,very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY big.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Yes, but apparently both Frieza's organization and the galactic patrol operate in and around the proximity of Earth and planet Vegeta. You'd think there would be a conflict.
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You could try to look Dragon Ball, Jaco, etc as stories and not as a products, since this is the In-Universe Discussion forum. Do you think that the story of Jaco The Galactic Patrolman takes place in the same universe that the story of Dragon Ball (manga, anime, etc, it's up to you to decide) takes place? That's what this thread asks.JulieYBM wrote:Well, I guess the straight-forward way isn't the path to take here.
'Canon' to what, the 1984 comic? The events of Jako Ginga Patrol do not happen under that banner, just like the exact events of the former do not fall under the latter. I am not sure what else there is to say about it, because 'canon' is such an abstract concept. These are separate, independent works that exist on their own terms. They are a part of a franchise but neither has any more objective value. Unless we're going to call 'financial value' the only definition of 'objective value'.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Didn't Daizenshuu 4 already mention the existence of a Galactic Police which was not powerful enough to oppose Freeza or the Saiyans?
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I really don't know whether I do or not. I mean, I would like to have it as canon (my canon meaning happened in the manga's continuity), but it has some weird contradictions/things that were definitely not suggested/implied in the original manga. To me Jaco is the closest thing to being canon from all the other DB media, but that's about it for now.
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I see no reason to do that. Everything is its own box. Just because having read another thing can or cannot enhance the other it does not mean the laws of physics and time and space now bend to somehow make these two different things the same.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:You could try to look Dragon Ball, Jaco, etc as stories and not as a products, since this is the In-Universe Discussion forum. Do you think that the story of Jaco The Galactic Patrolman takes place in the same universe that the story of Dragon Ball (manga, anime, etc, it's up to you to decide) takes place? That's what this thread asks.JulieYBM wrote:Well, I guess the straight-forward way isn't the path to take here.
'Canon' to what, the 1984 comic? The events of Jako Ginga Patrol do not happen under that banner, just like the exact events of the former do not fall under the latter. I am not sure what else there is to say about it, because 'canon' is such an abstract concept. These are separate, independent works that exist on their own terms. They are a part of a franchise but neither has any more objective value. Unless we're going to call 'financial value' the only definition of 'objective value'.
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