Movie Villians Strength

[Kakashi]

Garlic Jr is stronger than BOZ Goku and Piccolo but weaker than Raditz

Doctor Wheelo is stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta but weaker than Kaioken x3 Goku

Tullece is around 30,000 before eating the fruit and in par with 1st form Frieza after eating the fruit

Slug is stronger than 3rd form Frieza

Cooler is stronger than 100% final form Frieza

Metal Cooler rivals Android 18

Super 13 is in par with Android 16 and Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)

Movie 8 LSSJ Broly is in par with Cell Games FPSSJ Goku and Gohan

Bojack is in par with Perfect Cell

Movie 10 LSSJ Broly is in par with SSJ2 Goku or perhaps even greater

Bio Broly is stronger than the Pre Rosat SSJs Kids but weaker than Boo Arc SSJ Gohan

Janemba rivals Evil Boo

Hirudegarn is in par with Gohan-Boo or perhaps even greater

What do you think?

[Polyphase Avatron]

1. Sure
2. Didn't Goku go Kaio-ken x 500 or some such thing in that movie?
3. Maybe
4. Sure
5. Yeah, basically implied
6. Well he was losing to SSJ1 Goku and Vegeta when he just had one body
7. Sounds about right
8. Maybe
9. He seemed weaker than that
10. LOLNO
11. Probably
13. Maybe
14. Saw no evidence he was that strong

[Gogeta8001]

Raditz >> Garlic Jr. (Post Transformation)
Doctor Wheelo >>> Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Turles (Post Fruit) >>> First Form Frieza
Giant Slug > Second Form Frieza
5th Form Cooler >>> 100% Frieza
Meta Cooler >>> Future Andriods #17 and #18
Andriod #16 > Super Andriod #13 >>>> Andriod #17
M8 LSSJ Broly = Full Power Perfect Cell
Super Bojack >> Supressed Perfect Cell @Gohan
M10 LSSJ Broly = Super Perfect Cell
Semi Perfect Cell >> Bio-Broly >>> Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)
Super Buu >>>> Super Janemba >>>>>>> Kid Buu
Hirunagarn >>>> Buuhan

[Kakashi]

Raditz >> Garlic Jr. (Post Transformation)
Doctor Wheelo >>> Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Tullece (Post Fruit) >>> First Form Freeza
Giant Slug > Second Form Freeza
5th Form Cooler >>> 100% Freeza
Meta Cooler >>> Future Andriods #17 and #18
Andriod #16 > Super Andriod #13 >>>> Andriod #17
M8 LSSJ Broly = Full Power Perfect Cell
Super Bojack >> Supressed Perfect Cell @Gohan
M10 LSSJ Broly = Super Perfect Cell
Semi Perfect Cell >> Bio-Broly >>> Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)
Super Buu >>>> Super Janemba >>>>>>> Kid Buu
Hirunagarn >>>> Buuhan

Tullece is not much stronger than Frieza, show proof

Wheelo is still weaker than Kaioken x3 Goku

Giant Slug is implied to be stronger than 3rd form Frieza

No, M8 Broly is no match for Cell and Bojack who equals Cell

M10 Broly > SPC

SSJs Kids are ? 2nd for Cell
Hirudegarn > Gohan-Boo might be true but still weaker than SSJ Vegetto

[RandomGuy96]

1. Sure
2. ???
3. Why not?
4. No. Giant Slug is stronger than 100% Freeza and SS Goku.
5. Obviously.
6. No. Metal Cooler beat the shit out of Kamiccolo.
7. Yes.
8. Gohan, yes.
9. No. He was simply a few notches above SS Gohan. I have Perfect Cell far stronger than Bojack.
10. No. He's as strong as Super Perfect Cell at best, seeing as how he got beaten by Buu Saga SS2 Gohan + SS Goten in the final beam struggle and was hurt by hits from Gohan as well.
11. No. The kids are as strong as Gohan, so Bio-Broly is obviously stronger than that. Probably around Super Bojack.
12. HELL no. Goku was able to put up a decent fight against Janemba, no way in hell could he even touch Super Buu.
13. About as strong as Buuhan would normally be a suitable level, but you must also remember Gohan and Gotenks are nerfed to hell and back here, nerfed all the way down to being weaker than Goku. He could be as weak as Janemba for all we know.

[Kakashi]

1. Sure
2. ???
3. Why not?
4. No. Giant Slug is stronger than 100% Freeza and SS Goku.
5. Obviously.
6. No. Metal Cooler beat the shit out of Kamiccolo.
7. Yes.
8. Gohan, yes.
9. No. He was simply a few notches above SS Gohan. I have Perfect Cell far stronger than Bojack.
10. No. He's as strong as Super Perfect Cell at best, seeing as how he got beaten by Buu Saga SS2 Gohan + SS Goten in the final beam struggle and was hurt by hits from Gohan as well.
11. No. The kids are as strong as Gohan, so Bio-Broly is obviously stronger than that. Probably around Super Bojack.
12. HELL no. Goku was able to put up a decent fight against Janemba, no way in hell could he even touch Super Buu.
13. About as strong as Buuhan would normally be a suitable level, but you must also remember Gohan and Gotenks are nerfed to hell and back here, nerfed all the way down to being weaker than Goku. He could be as weak as Janemba for all we know.

2. What's not clear?
4. SSJ Goku and Final Form Frieza never existed and the highest form Frieza has shown at that time was his 3rd form. Giant Slug is perhaps greater than False SSJ Goku who is in the low millions
6. Piccolo was not Kamiccolo in Movie 6 and when did they even fight?
9. Bojack was much stronger than SSJ Gohan, Base Bojack is Suppressed Cell's level and at full power he equals to FP PC IMO
10 Broly was set up as the strongest saiyan and easily beat SSJ2 Gohan who even if he is weaker, he still got stomped. Broly was beaten by SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ Goku and SSJ Goten
11. The kids are not as strong as Gohan. In the series Goten gets destroyed when Gohan goes SSJ. Yes, it's filler but movies are non canon. Lol Super Bojack?
12. Janemba was toying with him and easily beat him and then did a big power up vs Gogeta
13. They are not nerfed, Goku is haxed

[Pantalones]

Don't the Metal Coolers get stronger every time one gets destroyed and more are built to take its place? I seem to remember the one that Goku and Vegeta beat being the first one to show up, while the one that beat "Kamiccolo" was one of the later ones.

[Darkprince410]

1. Sure
2. ???
3. Why not?
4. No. Giant Slug is stronger than 100% Freeza and SS Goku.
5. Obviously.
6. No. Metal Cooler beat the shit out of Kamiccolo.
7. Yes.
8. Gohan, yes.
9. No. He was simply a few notches above SS Gohan. I have Perfect Cell far stronger than Bojack.
10. No. He's as strong as Super Perfect Cell at best, seeing as how he got beaten by Buu Saga SS2 Gohan + SS Goten in the final beam struggle and was hurt by hits from Gohan as well.
11. No. The kids are as strong as Gohan, so Bio-Broly is obviously stronger than that. Probably around Super Bojack.
12. HELL no. Goku was able to put up a decent fight against Janemba, no way in hell could he even touch Super Buu.
13. About as strong as Buuhan would normally be a suitable level, but you must also remember Gohan and Gotenks are nerfed to hell and back here, nerfed all the way down to being weaker than Goku. He could be as weak as Janemba for all we know.

2. What's not clear?
4. SSJ Goku and Final Form Freeza never existed and the highest form Freeza has shown at that time was his 3rd form. Giant Slug is perhaps greater than False SSJ Goku who is in the low millions
6. Piccolo was not Kamiccolo in Movie 6 and when did they even fight?
9. Bojack was much stronger than SSJ Gohan, Base Bojack is Suppressed Cell's level and at full power he equals to FP PC IMO
10 Broly was set up as the strongest saiyan and easily beat SSJ2 Gohan who even if he is weaker, he still got stomped. Broly was beaten by SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ Goku and SSJ Goten
11. The kids are not as strong as Gohan. In the series Goten gets destroyed when Gohan goes SSJ. Yes, it's filler but movies are non canon. Lol Super Bojack?
12. Janemba was toying with him and easily beat him and then did a big power up vs Gogeta
13. They are not nerfed, Goku is haxed

6) Dende was there as the new Kami, indicating that Piccolo and Kami had merged.
9) It's hard to say since he always had Bido and the others launching their ki strings at his enemies so as to get an advantage.
10) From Gohan's hair, he was only an Ssj during the final Kamehameha, and unless I'm mistaken, the movie intentionally suggests that Goku might not have physically been there (I believe the narrator says as much at the end).
11) The gap between Gohan and Goten wasn't anywhere near that high. Gohan acts like it wouldn't take much at all for Goten and Trunks to surpass him, and the Daizenshuu indicates that Goten is essentially equal to his brother in terms of power.
12) He flared his ki up in anger, but that doesn't actually indicate a power-up. We've seen villains in the series do that before when angry, even though no power increase was stated or shown.
13) I'd say it's a combination, since Gotenks fares far better than Gohan does, even though Gohan was the stronger of the two in the canon storyline.

Don't the Metal Coolers get stronger every time one gets destroyed and more are built to take its place? I seem to remember the one that Goku and Vegeta beat being the first one to show up, while the one that beat "Kamiccolo" was one of the later ones.

It's not that they get stronger per say. Each time one is damaged or destroyed, the next one (or the repaired one) corrects the flaw that led to its defeat. If you're familiar with the Superman villain Doomsday, it's the same premise. He was lobotomized at one point by Superman's heat vision, so during his recovery he grew a bone plate over his forehead to prevent Superman from ever being able to attack him that way again. It didn't physically make him stronger, but it still made him better. Likewise, with the Metal Coolas, we saw that, rather than just making another one even stronger than the one that Goku and Vegeta managed to beat, hundreds of Metal Coolas were made in its place, likely all as strong as the one that was just destroyed.

[Kakashi]

1. Sure
2. ???
3. Why not?
4. No. Giant Slug is stronger than 100% Freeza and SS Goku.
5. Obviously.
6. No. Metal Cooler beat the shit out of Kamiccolo.
7. Yes.
8. Gohan, yes.
9. No. He was simply a few notches above SS Gohan. I have Perfect Cell far stronger than Bojack.
10. No. He's as strong as Super Perfect Cell at best, seeing as how he got beaten by Buu Saga SS2 Gohan + SS Goten in the final beam struggle and was hurt by hits from Gohan as well.
11. No. The kids are as strong as Gohan, so Bio-Broly is obviously stronger than that. Probably around Super Bojack.
12. HELL no. Goku was able to put up a decent fight against Janemba, no way in hell could he even touch Super Buu.
13. About as strong as Buuhan would normally be a suitable level, but you must also remember Gohan and Gotenks are nerfed to hell and back here, nerfed all the way down to being weaker than Goku. He could be as weak as Janemba for all we know.

2. What's not clear?
4. SSJ Goku and Final Form Freeza never existed and the highest form Freeza has shown at that time was his 3rd form. Giant Slug is perhaps greater than False SSJ Goku who is in the low millions
6. Piccolo was not Kamiccolo in Movie 6 and when did they even fight?
9. Bojack was much stronger than SSJ Gohan, Base Bojack is Suppressed Cell's level and at full power he equals to FP PC IMO
10 Broly was set up as the strongest saiyan and easily beat SSJ2 Gohan who even if he is weaker, he still got stomped. Broly was beaten by SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ Goku and SSJ Goten
11. The kids are not as strong as Gohan. In the series Goten gets destroyed when Gohan goes SSJ. Yes, it's filler but movies are non canon. Lol Super Bojack?
12. Janemba was toying with him and easily beat him and then did a big power up vs Gogeta
13. They are not nerfed, Goku is haxed

6) Dende was there as the new Kami, indicating that Piccolo and Kami had merged.
9) It's hard to say since he always had Bido and the others launching their ki strings at his enemies so as to get an advantage.
10) From Gohan's hair, he was only an Ssj during the final Kamehameha, and unless I'm mistaken, the movie intentionally suggests that Goku might not have physically been there (I believe the narrator says as much at the end).
11) The gap between Gohan and Goten wasn't anywhere near that high. Gohan acts like it wouldn't take much at all for Goten and Trunks to surpass him, and the Daizenshuu indicates that Goten is essentially equal to his brother in terms of power.
12) He flared his ki up in anger, but that doesn't actually indicate a power-up. We've seen villains in the series do that before when angry, even though no power increase was stated or shown.
13) I'd say it's a combination, since Gotenks fares far better than Gohan does, even though Gohan was the stronger of the two in the canon storyline.

Don't the Metal Coolers get stronger every time one gets destroyed and more are built to take its place? I seem to remember the one that Goku and Vegeta beat being the first one to show up, while the one that beat "Kamiccolo" was one of the later ones.

It's not that they get stronger per say. Each time one is damaged or destroyed, the next one (or the repaired one) corrects the flaw that led to its defeat. If you're familiar with the Superman villain Doomsday, it's the same premise. He was lobotomized at one point by Superman's heat vision, so during his recovery he grew a bone plate over his forehead to prevent Superman from ever being able to attack him that way again. It didn't physically make him stronger, but it still made him better. Likewise, with the Metal Coolas, we saw that, rather than just making another one even stronger than the one that Goku and Vegeta managed to beat, hundreds of Metal Coolas were made in its place, likely all as strong as the one that was just destroyed.

Dende was there because the movie was on Namek IMO, Piccolo was as strong as he was vs Android 20

They also helped him against Trunks and Bojack beat Vegeta who is stronger than Trunks so it means nothing. Bojack is Perfect Cell's counterpart

Gohan went SSJ2 in the end and Goku gave his SSJ powers like he did with Gohan vs Cell which is stated in the Anime

Gohan just says the kids are strong for their ages so they might be really stronger in the future but that doen't mean Goten is close to Gohan and the Daiz is wrong as in the Anime, Gohan one shotted Goten. The Daiz also says Goku gave his power vs Broly in the Kamehameha

It was an obvious power up. Janemba's ki flew all around the area and Gogeta stopped him from powering even further

Gotenks did better than Gohan because he appeared after him IMO

[Darkprince410]

Dende was there because the movie was on Namek IMO, Piccolo was as strong as he was vs Android 20

They also helped him against Trunks and Bojack beat Vegeta who is stronger than Trunks so it means nothing. Bojack is Perfect Cell's counterpart

Gohan went SSJ2 in the end and Goku gave his SSJ powers like he did with Gohan vs Cell which is stated in the Anime

Gohan just says the kids are strong for their ages so they might be really stronger in the future but that doen't mean Goten is close to Gohan and the Daiz is wrong as in the Anime, Gohan one shotted Goten. The Daiz also says Goku gave his power vs Broly in the Kamehameha

It was an obvious power up. Janemba's ki flew all around the area and Gogeta stopped him from powering even further

Gotenks did better than Gohan because he appeared after him IMO

1) Dende is specifically referred to as the new Kami at the beginning, meaning that the previous Kami wasn't there anymore, and obviously had to have merged with Piccolo again by this time.

2) Counterpart yes, but it's hard to say who is stronger between the two, because Bojack was rarely fighting alone.

3) Evidence indicates that he was Ssj2 for the majority of his fight with Broly, but there's a clear change in his hair when he transforms for that last Kamehameha suggesting that he could only go as high as regular Ssj during the last attack. Likewise, Goku wasn't actually supplying any ki to the Kamehameha during the final duel with Cell, as he was just there for moral support.

4)

Chapter: 427 (DBZ 233), P12.3-6
Context: after Gohan and Goten spar a little bit
Gohan: “You’re very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn’t known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you’ll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!”
Goten: “Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!”
Gohan: “Really!? That’s how you guys have been playing?...*thinking* If I’m not careful, I’ll be outstripped…by these little squirts…”

This indicates that he finds them really close to him already, and that if he doesn't work on it, they'll soon pass him up, in turn suggesting a very small gap between him and the boys. I just looked at the manga again with Gohan and Goten training, and not once did Gohan even come close to "one-shotting" Goten like you're suggesting. In fact, all the fights in the manga between the two show Gohan putting a great deal of effort into it, not the huge gap you're suggesting.

5) Without an actual statement about an increase in power, it can't be said that it was an actual power-up. Sure, it could be, but at the same time, to me, he just looked mad that Goku and Vegeta had fused, and flared his ki up into a visible aura, which is something that has happened many times in the past with other villains.

6) That doesn't really make sense, since even though Gotenks appears after Gohan in the movie, Gohan still has his power-up from Rou Kaioushin, which puts him far above Ssj3 Gotenks as well as his father. Even if you include the Goku hax, that still doesn't establish why Gotenks is higher than him.

[Stark the lone wolf]

1. Raditz>>Garlic Jr
2. Dr Wheelo>>Vegeta
3. Turles>Frieza 1st form
4. 3rd form frieza>Giant Slug>2nd form frieza
5. Cooler>>Frieza
6. 18>Meta cooler
7. 16>13
8. MSSJ Gohan>Broly
9. Bojack=Cell
10. Broly=SPC
11. SSJ Gohan>>Bio Broly
12. Super Buu>>>>>>Janemba
13. Hirudegarn=Buuhan

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have everyone here:
M1: Raditz >>> Garlic Jr
M2: Dr Wheelo = Vegeta(2nd Zenkai)
M3: Tullece > Vegeta(2nd Zenkai)/Freeza(First Form) > Tullece(First Fruite)/ Tullece(Second Fruite) > Freeza(First Form)
M4: Freeza(First Form) > Slug/Giant Slug > Freeza(Third Form)
M5: Freeza(100%) > Cooler(100%)/Cooler(Final Form) > Freeza(100%)
M6: SSJ Goku(Artificial Human Arc) > Meta Cooler/Meta Cooler(Post Repair) > C-17
M7: C-13 > SSJ Vegeta(Artificial Human Arc)/C-16 > Super 13
M8: Perfect Cell > LSSJ Broly
M9: Perfect Cell > Bojack/Full Power Bojack > Perfect Cell
M10: Super Perfect Cell > LSSJ Broly
M11: Kaioshin > LSSJ Bio Broly
M12: Super Janenba > Pure Buu
M13: Buutenks > Hirudegarn.
M14: Beers > SSJ3 Vegetto

[Kakashi]

Dende was there because the movie was on Namek IMO, Piccolo was as strong as he was vs Android 20

They also helped him against Trunks and Bojack beat Vegeta who is stronger than Trunks so it means nothing. Bojack is Perfect Cell's counterpart

Gohan went SSJ2 in the end and Goku gave his SSJ powers like he did with Gohan vs Cell which is stated in the Anime

Gohan just says the kids are strong for their ages so they might be really stronger in the future but that doen't mean Goten is close to Gohan and the Daiz is wrong as in the Anime, Gohan one shotted Goten. The Daiz also says Goku gave his power vs Broly in the Kamehameha

It was an obvious power up. Janemba's ki flew all around the area and Gogeta stopped him from powering even further

Gotenks did better than Gohan because he appeared after him IMO

1) Dende is specifically referred to as the new Kami at the beginning, meaning that the previous Kami wasn't there anymore, and obviously had to have merged with Piccolo again by this time.

2) Counterpart yes, but it's hard to say who is stronger between the two, because Bojack was rarely fighting alone.

3) Evidence indicates that he was Ssj2 for the majority of his fight with Broly, but there's a clear change in his hair when he transforms for that last Kamehameha suggesting that he could only go as high as regular Ssj during the last attack. Likewise, Goku wasn't actually supplying any ki to the Kamehameha during the final duel with Cell, as he was just there for moral support.

4)

Chapter: 427 (DBZ 233), P12.3-6
Context: after Gohan and Goten spar a little bit
Gohan: “You’re very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn’t known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you’ll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!”
Goten: “Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!”
Gohan: “Really!? That’s how you guys have been playing?...*thinking* If I’m not careful, I’ll be outstripped…by these little squirts…”

This indicates that he finds them really close to him already, and that if he doesn't work on it, they'll soon pass him up, in turn suggesting a very small gap between him and the boys. I just looked at the manga again with Gohan and Goten training, and not once did Gohan even come close to "one-shotting" Goten like you're suggesting. In fact, all the fights in the manga between the two show Gohan putting a great deal of effort into it, not the huge gap you're suggesting.

5) Without an actual statement about an increase in power, it can't be said that it was an actual power-up. Sure, it could be, but at the same time, to me, he just looked mad that Goku and Vegeta had fused, and flared his ki up into a visible aura, which is something that has happened many times in the past with other villains.

6) That doesn't really make sense, since even though Gotenks appears after Gohan in the movie, Gohan still has his power-up from Rou Kaioushin, which puts him far above Ssj3 Gotenks as well as his father. Even if you include the Goku hax, that still doesn't establish why Gotenks is higher than him.

Yet, Piccolo is weaker than Goku and Vegeta whho equal to their Androids Saga selves and Piccolo doesn't have his Kamiccolo features like in M7. Dende being the gurdian can be an alternative universe or something. M6 Piccolo should be as strong as he was vs Android 20

It's obvious Base Bojack ~ Suppressed Cell (Gohan) and Super Bojack ~ FP PC

Gohan's hair changed in the end and Goku gave his ki to Gohan in the Anime

Gohan one shotted Gohan in the Anime because we are talking about the series and really, this quote is lack of context. Gohan surpassed Goku in a year and attained two forms. Gohan says that the kids are strong in their age so they can be much stronger in the future. This quote doesn't mean the kids are close to Gohan. Base Kids are weaker than Android 18 who Base Gohan can one shot

So I guess Nappa never powered up vs Goku. Janemba obvioisly powered up and not anything has to be stated


Gotenks appeared after Gohan in the movie and in the series TOEI usually makes the next foes look stronger. Look at Pure Boo