Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Season One" Coming To Blu-Ray (Updated 10

Post by superrayman3 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:50 pm

TheAldella wrote:Woah, I'm just factoring in that it can't even be confirmed to be used Yet, and that the first Season comes out in December, so it's like...Hey, what time do we have to do it? I'm not saying that it will never be used, I'm saying that there probably isn't enough time to get the tapes, get the OK, import them to whatever they use to do this stuff, replace the japanese track, manufacture and put it out in that time.
That post wasn't really aimed at you, it was aimed more at other users that try to be negative and closed minded about any news that might actually be good for once.
Roland_ELoG wrote:What if anything is the difference between Japanese broadcast audio, and the Japanese track on the home releases so far? Mono vs stereo?
There are probably multiple audio sources Kei has of each episode (he collects broadcast recordings any chance he gets so he probably has multiple copies of each episode at least for Z) so FUNimation should have plenty of material to work with, the only real things that might be different between the broadcast version and the home release audio (aside from the superior sounding audio) would be the NEP's since some NEP's also had a promotion for an upcoming DBZ movie and IDK if standalone NEP's that don't contain those movie promos exist for such episodes like there does for things like the DBOX, the other thing FUNimation might need to watch out for is from time to time certain stations might have added like a certain SFX which would be followed by a text containing an urgent news report (like during an earthquake or something to that extent).
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Post by Roland_ELoG » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:48 am

So the primary difference is in quality. A d-box versus Funi singles comparison would be good, since I don't remember the Funi singles being as scratchy as that comparison video.
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Post by Kakarot88 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:07 am

Roland_ELoG wrote:So the primary difference is in quality. A d-box versus Funi singles comparison would be good, since I don't remember the Funi singles being as scratchy as that comparison video.
In my opinion here is the main difference over Dragon box and funi singles when deciding what you want: ignore coloring and grain there are pros and cons to each. Focus on what you want. If you want only pure Japanese music even with American voicing then the Dragon Boxes are for you. Period. If you enjoy the Bruce Faulconer score and do not like the American voices with the Japanese music then the Funi singles are the obvious choice. What the Dragon Boxes make up for in having more episodes per disc as well as overall cleaned up pictures it loses in color distortion and music selection so it depends on what you want out of the coloring and music. I personally hate the American cast put to the Japanese musical score and only like the Japanese cast with said music so I picked up the singles as it gives me the 2 versions of the show I want. Also if you want to hear Sabat transition from pyscho evil Vegeta to hero Vegeta you will not get that with the Dragon Boxes as he redid the vast majoirty of his lines during the Namek and Ginyu arc. In Dragon Box 1 and 2 and season 1 and 2 of the orange bricks the whole funimation cast did a new dub for the episodes which was originally done by the ocean group same with some of Sabat's lines in season 3. Hope that helps.

In sum: to me these are the notable differences you should take into consideration:
Dragon Boxes =
Pros:more episodes per disc, less discs, better packaging and a cool booklet per box, cleaner pics, eye catches, correct Japanese intro and exit music, "previously ons" are in English or Japanese depedning on what you select, defaults to Japanese
Cons: but no Bruce Faulconer and English redone dub scenes, season 2 alone will cost you your first born child

Singles =
Pros: generally better coloring and with Bruce Faulconer music as well as Japanese audio with Japanese music, generally less expensive, some discs have cool special features like series recaps, some have next episode previews and "previously ons"
Cons: less episodes per discs, 90 discs (give or take), grainer pics, some English dub scenes should have been redubbed, no English voice with Japanese music, some lack eyecatches depending on which issuing you bought, all of the "previously ons" are only in English, does not have correct Japanese intro and exit music
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Post by Ajay » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:12 am

^ Fairly sure he was talking about the Japanese audio differences rather than the products as a whole
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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:30 am

We have a strange tendency here, which I don't understand at all.

1. Everything goes bad.
Some people are making a really big effort to explain why and they are generating an atmosphere of acceptance which everybody seems to follow.
Instead of encouraging people who are reading this forum to fight for what they want, we are totally demotivating them.

2. There is a chance that it will be OK.
Some people are making a really big effort to explain why it is impossible and they are finding tons of excuses (including nonsense) to destroy all hope that we will get what we want.
"Mass market" has been converted to super-demanding hardcore fanbase who accepts only crap.

Is this normal behavior of "hardcore" fans? I don't think so. Don't expect that you will get what you want when nobody is asking for it.

Extreme pessimism about "original broadcast audio" is also incomprehensible for me. I think that you are putting the quality of Japanese audio track above the popularity of Dragon Ball itself. If "mass market" is ready to eat this new garbage on blu-ray, why do you think that they are paying attention to small details like Japanese track quality? Let's face it: Who knows and cares about it? The value of Japanese audio quality has been way exaggerated.

No such thing as "quality" exists in copyright law. FUNimation has a license to distribute Dragon Ball and that's all. Despite the source or format, FUNimation has right to it.

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Post by Kakarot88 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:17 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote:^ Fairly sure he was talking about the Japanese audio differences rather than the products as a whole
Is there actually any difference? I've heard all 3 (not for every episode per format :crazy: ) and did not find any differences in the Japanese audio between singles, bricks, and boxes...granted my surround sound is not the greatest so it could be my hardware.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:25 am

They're talking about the difference between the broadcast audio and what's on home releases.
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Post by Kakarot88 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:28 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:They're talking about the difference between the broadcast audio and what's on home releases.
Got ya, so yeah all the home releases sound the same right? At least to me they do... (by home releases I mean US funimation released DVD singles, bricks, and D-boxes)
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Post by superrayman3 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:29 am

Kakarot88 wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:They're talking about the difference between the broadcast audio and what's on home releases.
Got ya, so yeah all the home releases sound the same right? At least to me they do... (by home releases I mean US funimation released DVD singles, bricks, and D-boxes)
From what I understand the Japanese audio for the FUNimation Singles and Orange Bricks has much worse quality when compared to the DBOX Japanese audio (it's still not perfect but it is a step up from what we got in the past) I'll pull out my season 1 set and make an audio comparison between that and the DBOX.

Edit: I just gavea listen to the episode 29 recap for episode 30 and I couldn't hear any quality difference between the Orange Brick version or the DBOX version so it appears I was wrong about the quality difference between the OB's and DBOX's Japanese audio.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:34 am

So is there actually any news and proof (pics) about this? Like, the picture quality, aspect ratio or audio quality?
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Post by Ajay » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:34 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:So is there actually any news and proof (pics) about this? Like, the picture quality, aspect ratio or audio quality?
Regarding the Blu-Ray? http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/10/22/fu ... e-trailer/
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:00 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:So is there actually any news and proof (pics) about this? Like, the picture quality, aspect ratio or audio quality?
Regarding the Blu-ray? http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/10/22/fu ... e-trailer/
The Blu-ray covers look really good rather than the simplistic white they've been using in the past.

Covers aside the picture comparison seems to have detail loss and zoom in.

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Hope this isn't what they're going for. :|
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Post by KingofWisdom » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:50 pm

Kojiro Sasaki wrote:We have a strange tendency here, which I don't understand at all.

1. Everything goes bad.
Some people are making a really big effort to explain why and they are generating an atmosphere of acceptance which everybody seems to follow.
Instead of encouraging people who are reading this forum to fight for what they want, we are totally demotivating them.

2. There is a chance that it will be OK.
Some people are making a really big effort to explain why it is impossible and they are finding tons of excuses (including nonsense) to destroy all hope that we will get what we want.
"Mass market" has been converted to super-demanding hardcore fanbase who accepts only crap.

Is this normal behavior of "hardcore" fans? I don't think so. Don't expect that you will get what you want when nobody is asking for it.

Extreme pessimism about "original broadcast audio" is also incomprehensible for me. I think that you are putting the quality of Japanese audio track above the popularity of Dragon Ball itself. If "mass market" is ready to eat this new garbage on blu-ray, why do you think that they are paying attention to small details like Japanese track quality? Let's face it: Who knows and cares about it? The value of Japanese audio quality has been way exaggerated.

No such thing as "quality" exists in copyright law. FUNimation has a license to distribute Dragon Ball and that's all. Despite the source or format, FUNimation has right to it.
You're a lost cause. The folks at FUNimation are not going to do what's best for the fans who want something of Dragon Box quality or higher if the release is not making them money. Besides, they do know what we want. Especially because of the survey. It would take a large outcry for them to bend to our will, and frankly, we''re just a loud minority. I've sent FUNimation a few tweets already, and I took the survey as well. All that's left is to sit back and wait.
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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:16 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:You're a lost cause. FUNimation is not going to do what's best for the fans who want something of Dragon Box quality or higher if they're not making money on a release like that. They know what we want. Especially because of the survey.
It seems that you didn't understand what I meant, or it is my English (I didn't learn the language at all, so I can't complain).

1. They would make the same amount of money without DVNR and oversaturation.
2. I'm not sure that the hardcore fanbase is that small as we think.
3. Our approach to this matter is making things worse.
4. Mass market will eat everything named "DEE BEE ZEE ON BLU-RAY".
5. If you believe in survey - I have nothing more to say.

Does it sound more clear?
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Post by KingofWisdom » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:21 pm

I understand what you're saying, I just don't necessarily agree. If the survey results don't matter, then nothing we say or do matters either. Even if we tell them that the trailer looked like garbage, it's not like that will stop the release. We must vote with our wallets by not buying the damn thing. All though, we can't be sure if that trailer is a true representation of the product.
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Post by Sin » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:00 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:I understand what you're saying, I just don't necessarily agree. If the survey results don't matter, then nothing we say or do matters either. Even if we tell them that the trailer looked like garbage, it's not like that will stop the release. We must vote with our wallets by not buying the damn thing. All though, we can't be sure if that trailer is a true representation of the product.
But if we DON'T buy these then what hope is there for a future release more like the Level Sets? If the Orange Bricks hadn't done so well we might not have the Dragon Boxes from Funi, and likewise if these don't do well Funimation aren't likely to attempt another Blu-Ray release anytime soon.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:45 pm

Sin wrote:But if we DON'T buy these then what hope is there for a future release more like the Level Sets? If the Orange Bricks hadn't done so well we might not have the Dragon Boxes from Funi, and likewise if these don't do well Funimation aren't likely to attempt another Blu-Ray release anytime soon.
I'd happily support FUNimation if it would be worth it, but if the picture quality is worse than Kai's then it's a no buy from me.

I don't care if DBZ doesn't make to Blu-ray, I'm guessing Toei Animation will eventually take care of it.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:52 pm

Sin wrote:
KingofWisdom wrote:I understand what you're saying, I just don't necessarily agree. If the survey results don't matter, then nothing we say or do matters either. Even if we tell them that the trailer looked like garbage, it's not like that will stop the release. We must vote with our wallets by not buying the damn thing. All though, we can't be sure if that trailer is a true representation of the product.
But if we DON'T buy these then what hope is there for a future release more like the Level Sets? If the Orange Bricks hadn't done so well we might not have the Dragon Boxes from Funi, and likewise if these don't do well Funimation aren't likely to attempt another Blu-Ray release anytime soon.
Are you in some kind of a hurry to get DB on Bluray? If this release flops, Funimation will try to figure out why it failed. And one of the main reasons for that will be over saturation of the market in the last few years (because if that wasn't a factor, even if this quality, it would sell well). So, at worst case scenario they would wait a while, let the market settle down, and then try it again, hopefully this time with better quality. The decision to never launch a release of DB again if this one flops is not even a plausible scenario. DB is too big to stay under.

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Post by Kendamu » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:53 pm

Sin wrote:
KingofWisdom wrote:I understand what you're saying, I just don't necessarily agree. If the survey results don't matter, then nothing we say or do matters either. Even if we tell them that the trailer looked like garbage, it's not like that will stop the release. We must vote with our wallets by not buying the damn thing. All though, we can't be sure if that trailer is a true representation of the product.
But if we DON'T buy these then what hope is there for a future release more like the Level Sets? If the Orange Bricks hadn't done so well we might not have the Dragon Boxes from Funi, and likewise if these don't do well Funimation aren't likely to attempt another Blu-Ray release anytime soon.
If we're the "loud minority" then we won't have to worry if these sell or not. The masses who'll buy any DBZ as long as it's inexpensive enough will easily keep this release afloat without our help. We should devote our money to what we actually want instead of buying out of a sense of obligation.

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Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:17 pm

I'm buying these as a hopes to a better release, and $250+ for DBZ and on blu-ray is dirt freaking cheap! Even $500+ for DBZ is chaper than the JP or obviously the US Dragon Boxes.
If these don't do well, than what makes you think Funimation is going to BOTHER with another dragon ball release? We don't need another Case Closed from Funimation (Yea... go back and release more seasons Funi!)

Honestly, I wish FUNimation would get better maters they have so 16x9 never comes into the picture and it's obviously because of the masters they have we're getting the whole widescreen crap to begin with.

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