The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:59 am

Abo and Cado (allowed to fuse) vs. Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:36 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Abo and Cado (allowed to fuse) vs. Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)
Abokado didn't do anything besides smack around the base kids right? And Goku one-shotted him with just SS.

I'm just going to assume that, while they're stronger than the base kids fused, Abokado is still weaker than Freeza. So Cooler eviscerates them utterly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:45 am

Aka was able to dominate base Goten and Trunks, and was going well against base Gotenks but when Gotenks went SSJ and attacked him he was only KO'd for a bit and wasn't really even hurt. Goku felt the need to use a Kamehameha against him to stop his attack and then KOs him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Aka was able to dominate base Goten and Trunks, and was going well against base Gotenks but when Gotenks went SSJ and attacked him he was only KO'd for a bit and wasn't really even hurt. Goku felt the need to use a Kamehameha against him to stop his attack and then KOs him.
Maybe I am remembering it wrong but wasn't the problem that the kids sucked at fighting? They were inexperienced and very rusty. I mean, Gohan had to guide them in the fight.
And becoming Gotenks doesn't exactly make them magically better at fighting.

As for the versus question, I would give it to Coola.
I always saw Abokado as around Freeza's strength.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:08 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Abo and Cado (allowed to fuse) vs. Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)
Aka wins. I think he's equal to C-17.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:41 pm

Krillin(Freeza battle where Vegeta said he was stronger) vs Ginyu

Krillin(Same Krillin as above) vs Cyborg arc Yamcha Or Tien
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Post by Super Vegetto » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:50 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Krillin(Freeza battle where Vegeta said he was stronger) vs Ginyu

Krillin(Same Krillin as above) vs Cyborg arc Yamcha Or Tenshinhan
Krillin > Ginyu

Yamcha/Tien > Krillin

I expect humans to get stronger or strong as Frieza's 1st form, but maybe even that is pushing...
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:35 pm

Ginyu and Cyborc arc Tenshinhan and Yamcha.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:37 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ginyu and Cyborc arc Tenshinhan and Yamcha.
Yamcha solos.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:41 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ginyu and Cyborc arc Tenshinhan and Yamcha.
Yamcha solos.
Ehhhhhh, I don't know.... Yamcha isn't too much stronger, so Krillin's skill and Kienzan might lend him the victory against Yamcha.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:49 pm

Vegetto vs Birsu.........Fuck that :lol: .

Saiyan Arc Chazou(Who I think was in the 900s) vs Garlic Jr Movie 1(Who I have weaker than Raditz)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:57 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Ginyu and Cyborc arc Tenshinhan and Yamcha.
Yamcha solos.
Ehhhhhh, I don't know.... Yamcha isn't too much stronger, so Krillin's skill and Kienzan might lend him the victory against Yamcha.
I believe that the Kuririn, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan went beyond 1 million during the Artificial Humans arc.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:08 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: I believe that the Kuririn, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan went beyond 1 million during the Artificial Humans arc.
Going by this. I KINDA agree seeing as they could have slacked off and dropped to at least Freeza's first form. Though Krillin got 18 to get him back into shape and Tien trains. Yamcha most likely dropped a lot though.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:48 pm

Saiyan Arc Chaoutzu is stated to be 610 in the Daiz. I have Garlic Jr at 500 while fighting Goku and Piccolo and at full power while using the Dead Zone at 750 so Garlic Jr wins

M3 Chaoutzu vs one of the Namekians who fought Dodoria who had a power level of 3,000

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:13 pm

I give this to Garlic because.... HE'S IMMORTAL! Chaozu may be a little stronger, but Garlic could easily outlast him.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:17 pm

Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto (DBZ) vs Whis, Beers, and God Goku

Super Saiyan God Vegetto (DBZ) vs Whis, Beers, God Goku, SS4 Gogeta, Super Xi Xing Long, Super #17, Oozaru Baby, and Majin Boo (Evil: Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Coola, and Broli absorbed)

I say that Vegetto stomps both times.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Kaboom » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:32 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I say that Vegetto stomps both times.
I concur. I think Super Saiyan 3 would be more than enough for the first fight, with level 4 just being overkill. As for the second fight, Toriyama seems to tell us that Super Saiyan God is a "multiplier" like the other transformations, with the power it grants being dependent on the strength of the individual Saiyan using it. So if Goku was strong enough to give Beers a good fight and be only a little under half of Whis' strength... then Super Saiyan God Vegetto would reign supreme over all of the above just like he did as a Super Saiyan in the Boo arc.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:35 pm

If you think that those marks on Cell really were bruises, then Buuhan(?) solos.

If not, then barring a lucky special attack, SSG Vegetto wins. This is mostly going off the statement that SS4 Shadow Dragons Goku =< SS Vegetto.

SS4 Vegetto clobbers Whis, Beers, and Goku. If this was Z Vegetto, I'd think he was still behind Omega, though.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:38 pm

Nappa era:

Piccolo Vs. Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinan, Chiaotzu & Yajirbe.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:41 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Nappa era:

Piccolo Vs. Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinan, Chiaotzu & Yajirbe.
Piccolo sits there and lets everyone wail on him, and doesn't receive a scratch. Eventually he gets bored and blows them all up for kicks. Except Krillin. Krillin manages to piss him off slightly by cutting his arm off, which gets Krillin tossed into the sun.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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