Why do so many American fans hate Kai?

[TheBlackPaladin]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

Here's what I'd suggest. Send two links. One to the swearing compilation videos, and one to the DBZ Kai Nicktoons Edit Guide. Or, heck, somebody feel free to make a "broadcast vs home video" comparison video for certain scenes.

[TheGmGoken]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

Here's what I'd suggest. Send two links. One to the swearing compilation videos, and one to the DBZ Kai Nicktoons Edit Guide. Or, heck, somebody feel free to make a "broadcast vs home video" comparison video for certain scenes.

Even still. I doubt they will belive Kai is uncut. I've seen some fans turn. Hell the Kai hate has lessen greatly due to people learning the truth. However some fans are truly blinded by nostalgia. Nothing wrong with preferring Z dub over Kai dub though. Just some people take it to a whole new level

[Fizzer]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

Wow. That's really, really sad. It's ignorant on so many levels. They aren't even aware that the dub they claim to love so much doesn't have words like "bastard" and "piss" in it...

[90sDBZ]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

I have to say it is sad how some of the Kai haters don't seem to have even watched Z. It's almost as if Kai is attracting undeserved hate from people outside the Dragonball fanbase who are pretending they've watched Z.

Maybe Funi should re-release Kai only call it Z so that people will buy it and see it uncut thinking it's Z and then at the end of Season 1 after they've watched it there'll be a message on-screen saying "Oh by the way this is Kai not Z".

[TheBlackPaladin]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

Wow. That's really, really sad. It's ignorant on so many levels. They aren't even aware that the dub they claim to love so much doesn't have words like "bastard" and "piss" in it...

A point I've often brought up. It's quite ironic when they criticize the Kai dub as being "toned down for the kiddies" in comparison to the DBZ dub, considering that in reality it's the exact opposite, with the uncut Kai dub containing far more swearing than the uncut DBZ dub ever did.

[Fionordequester]

They aren't even aware that the dub they claim to love so much doesn't have words like "bastard" and "piss" in it...

Actually, it does have ONE mention of "piss" when Dende says "Hey! Don't piss off the God of Love!" after Krillin and Gohan summoned Shenron in Season 3.

[TheGmGoken]

They aren't even aware that the dub they claim to love so much doesn't have words like "bastard" and "piss" in it...

Actually, it does have ONE mention of "piss" when Dende says "Hey! Don't piss off the God of Love!" after Krillin and Gohan summoned Shenron in Season 3.

Rikum said it as well. But seriously. It's like the ENG fans never saw DBZ. They just follow the crowd. I mean you can clearly tell that it was Vegeta's Kai voice and Goku's kai voice(Same voice actor but sounds different kinda) yet they still think it's not Kai since Kai is "edited". Hell FREEZA wasn't even voiced by Linda Young in those clips. It's like...wtf? That's is where I question if you're a DB fan.

[Blu-ray_Mistress]

I think that Chris Ayres does a better job as Frieza...Linda Young just never sounded right to me and was never fond of her performance with the character. Sean Shemmel and Chris Sabat had said that originally they had intended to use Linda Young again but the way that the script was written she would have to speak quicker than before and she couldn't do it so they got Chris Ayres.

[Kakarot88]

You say it's less "fun". I say it's more refined and realistic.

Different strokes for different folks I guess...but realistic is the last thing I think of when I think of Dragon Ball Z, I mean we have flying cars and dinosaurs in the same scene not to mention "the dragon balls."

[Looneygamemaster]

but realistic is the last thing I think of when I think of Dragon Ball Z

Of course; DBZ is a cartoon. A silly action cartoon. But the script and voice acting still needs to be believable. And re-visiting Z's English dub, I do not believe the vast majority of the cast, nor what they say. That's the sign of failure.

[Kakarot88]

but realistic is the last thing I think of when I think of Dragon Ball Z

Of course; DBZ is a cartoon. A silly action cartoon. But the script and voice acting still needs to be believable. And re-visiting Z's English dub, I do not believe the vast majority of the cast, nor what they say. That's the sign of failure.

Sorry, honestly, you lost me. You think it's a silly cartoon but find the silly acting not believable? or not realistic? Either way you prefer Kai which is not silly? That's neat I guess. I'm glad you enjoy it. Like I said different strokes for different folks.

[Looneygamemaster]

The awesome thing about fiction is that it can create the illusion of something real, something we can lose ourselves in for a time. No matter how silly the thing is, this hinges on believability. If the show can't make us believe in a certain aspect, that illusion is broken.

With possibly the worst pacing of any anime, DBZ is already in constant danger of losing its believability and being revealed as the cheap collection of moving drawings it really is. Voice acting and lines that don't fit the characters or their world just sink it further.

[KentalSSJ6]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

Every freaking time I hear crap like this, I want to manifest a gauntlet of common sense and just beat people with it.

[Kakarot88]

When people say that Kai is a kids version of Z I'm always tempted to link them to the Kai swearing compilation videos and say there's an uncut version.

I did that once. On Byond. The responds was

"DBZ had the same swear words"
"That's not Kai that's DBZ".
"That's a fandub"
"Fake"
"Kai quality with Z voices"

Every freaking time I hear crap like this, I want to manifest a gauntlet of common sense and just beat people with it.

I've never understood how "swearing" is somehow gonna make a show better lol It makes me think of the Boondock Saints movies, both are filled with swearing but the first one is a master piece and the second one is a disaster.

[El Diabeetus]

But the difference is the the Z dub quality wise is awful both acting and writing wise. If you enjoy it, which I know you do that's totally fine. But, subjectively Kai's dub is much more faithful to the original Japanese version in tone and writing. It still has the occasional re-write here and there. But, then again I'm the kind of person who'd rather watch a quicker version with a drastically improved dub (don't wanna sit through Linda Young's Freeza in a dragged out version of the saga and at a point where Schemmel couldn't even deliver the lines well, he's great in Kai. Freeza Saga in Kai is a total 180 of the first English Z dub). The only reason I'd ever want to watch the FUNimation dub of Z is for nostalgia (which I don't even do in the first place). But, I don't let nostalgia influence my opinions. Same reason I'd argue someone if they said Red and Blue were the best games of the Pokémon series or if someone says Kanto was the best region or that the first 151 Pokémon were automatically the best just because they came first.

[TheAldella]

But the difference is the the Z dub quality wise is awful both acting and writing wise.

I'll agree with that about 98 percent of the time. In the late Cell Games, I had way more fun in Z because of the writing. Mostly the inner monologue Vegeta had about Trunks before he went off, and Cell's little "Yet another person You could've saved," always make me smile.

[El Diabeetus]

But the difference is the the Z dub quality wise is awful both acting and writing wise.

I'll agree with that about 98 percent of the time. In the late Cell Games, I had way more fun in Z because of the writing. Mostly the inner monologue Vegeta had about Trunks before he went off, and Cell's little "Yet another person You could've saved," always make me smile.

True, I'll give you that, plus the way the found a way around Cell's plot hole explanation on how he came back was pretty good too (If I remember that correctly). Cell Arc had somewhat iffy writing at times compared to the Freeza Arc in Kai because J. Michael Tatum didn't write for some/most of it. Don't exactly remember how much, it was Patrick Seitz who did the early Android episodes at least.

Ideally, I would like for J. Michael Tatum to do the script adaptation in the future for Dragon Ball productions, like Buu Kai, Battle of Gods, other new specials yet to be dubbed.

[TheGmGoken]

I've never understood how "swearing" is somehow gonna make a show better lol It makes me think of the Boondock Saints movies, both are filled with swearing but the first one is a master piece and the second one is a disaster.

I never said swearing made it better. I'm saying that fans dont even know their "favorite" dub sounds like. Especially if Chris Ayers was the voice of Freeza in those swear videos

[penguintruth]

A lot of people don't seem to know that Japanese doesn't really have a lot of swear words, per se. Any swears used in an English dub are embellishments of rudely casual ways of saying things in Japanese, at best, and of course on network television liable to be replaced. I do think it's appropriate for Goku and the gang to use "damn", "hell", "crap" and such when it calls for it (being punched into a mountain might be one of those occasions, vowing to defeat an opponent who has just murdered your friends is another).

That "Don't piss off the God of Love!" line in the DBZ dub was total nonsense to begin with. Dende wouldn't swear. Porunga is not a "god of love". The line doesn't make any sense in any context. I'd like to have the person who wrote that line checked into a clinic for a few years.

[Roland_ELoG]

What about violence censorship? I honestly never found out if Kai's home media releases contain uncut animation, or if they're the same as the edited TV version.