Would You Have Ended DB/Z At An Earlier Point In The Series?

[Hellspawn28]

Anyone else happy on how things ended? I think if it ended with Freeza then I would never be a DBZ fan and I would never bother checking out DBZ since I used to hate the series when I was a kid.

[dbzfan7]

I'm quite happy so no. But I guess I would remove the Oob stuff as it hasn't really had a chance to add up to anything. It just feels like it's there and that's it. At least add a little something more, maybe end it on Oob completing his training and being prepared to take on new challenges if we kept him.

[TheMightyOzaru]

End the series at Cell Arc. Have Boo arc as a OVA series or a movie series. Then never make BoG(Jumping the shark).

You do realize the jumping the shark means ruining the series to a point beyond recovery right?

[Rocketman]

End the series at Cell Arc. Have Boo arc as a OVA series or a movie series. Then never make BoG(Jumping the shark).

You do realize the jumping the shark means ruining the series to a point beyond recovery right?

Yeah, he used it correctly.

[TheMightyOzaru]

End the series at Cell Arc. Have Boo arc as a OVA series or a movie series. Then never make BoG(Jumping the shark).

You do realize the jumping the shark means ruining the series to a point beyond recovery right?

Yeah, he used it correctly.

I guess in your mind, but I'm pretty sure Goken doesn't think the series is beyond repair.

[TheGmGoken]

I guess your mind, but I'm pretty sure Goken doesn't think the series is beyond repair.

In terms of having good fights and good antagonist I think they jump the shark. In terms of funny they did not. I'm not sure about the plot until they expand on it more. Though SSG was just plain awful(EVERYTHING. Backstory and how you get it)

[dbboxkaifan]

I wouldn't have minded if it ended by Freeza's arc, that felt just about right to wrap it up and let the viewers imagination rise.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I guess your mind, but I'm pretty sure Goken doesn't think the series is beyond repair.

In terms of having good fights and good antagonist I think they jump the shark. In terms of funny they did not. I'm not sure about the plot until they expand on it more. Though SSG was just plain awful(EVERYTHING. Backstory and how you get it)

Ok, but do you think Battle of Gods ruined DBZ beyond the point of repair? If not, it didn't jump the shark.

[TheGmGoken]

I guess your mind, but I'm pretty sure Goken doesn't think the series is beyond repair.

In terms of having good fights and good antagonist I think they jump the shark. In terms of funny they did not. I'm not sure about the plot until they expand on it more. Though SSG was just plain awful(EVERYTHING. Backstory and how you get it)

Ok, but do you think Battle of Gods ruined DBZ beyond the point of repair? If not, it didn't jump the shark.

I should have used "Jump over the shark" which means the same thing but remove the "Beyond repair". I believe DBZ has decrease in quality.

[Hellspawn28]

End the series at Cell Arc. Have Boo arc as a OVA series or a movie series. Then never make BoG(Jumping the shark).

You do realize the jumping the shark means ruining the series to a point beyond recovery right?

Yeah, he used it correctly.

Jump the shark works when a series is still going. Dragon Ball has ended after 1997.

[TheGmGoken]

Jump the shark works when a series is still going. Dragon Ball has ended after 1997.

I think BoG will revive the series.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Dragon Ball has ended after 1997.

GT ended after 97, but the franchise is still on-going, since we have new manga coming out every month (SD & Heroes: VM), new video games every year, Dragon Ball Heroes & Dragon Ball: Zenkai Battle Royal get frequent updates every few months, we get new animated specials frequently these last years, and even a new movie, there is the Full Color manga that is yet to be completed, and we got lots of new guidebooks, DVDs/Blu-rays, and even Dragon Ball Kai, etc, etc. Dragon Ball is very alive.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I should have used "Jump over the shark" which means the say thing but remove the "Beyond repair". I believe DBZ has decrease in quality.

DBZ "jumped over the shark" after the Cell arc. The writing got fairly messy.

[TheGmGoken]

I should have used "Jump over the shark" which means the say thing but remove the "Beyond repair". I believe DBZ has decrease in quality.

DBZ "jumped over the shark" after the Cell arc. The writing got fairly messy.

They jumped over the shark during Cyborg arc. Then they killed the Shark at Boo Arc(Thats a good thing btw). Then with BoG they Jumped over the shark. This is for mainstream Dbz things only. Cause if we include the movies and EOB then the list will change forever

[TheMightyOzaru]

You may like the Buu arc, but it's objectively a poorly written arc.

[TheAldella]

You may like the Buu arc, but it's objectively a poorly written arc.

Sometimes...Vegetto...
But there are times when it really shines. I'd say it's a fair middle ground for me.

[TheGmGoken]

You may like the Buu arc, but it's objectively a poorly written arc.

And that's your opinion. I found Cyborg arc more sloppy writing.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You may like the Buu arc, but it's objectively a poorly written arc.

And that's your opinion. I found Cyborg arc more sloppy writing.

It's not really an opinion. There are inconsistencies that have to be filled with fan theories. That's not good writing. Honestly, I fail to see a ton of flaws with the Cyborg arc. We have Trunks claiming C-17 and C-18 are C-19 and C-20 and the whole Cell regeneration thing, but other than that, there's nothing really inherently wrong with it. I like Buu arc, don't get me wrong, it's just not written well.

[TheGmGoken]

You may like the Buu arc, but it's objectively a poorly written arc.

And that's your opinion. I found Cyborg arc more sloppy writing.

It's not really an opinion. There are inconsistencies that have to be filled with fan theories. That's not good writing. Honestly, I fail to see a ton of flaws with the Cyborg arc. We have Trunks claiming C-17 and C-18 are C-19 and C-20 and the whole Cell regeneration thing, but other than that, there's nothing really inherently wrong with it. I like Buu arc, don't get me wrong, it's just not written well.

Once again it's your opinion. Cyborg arc had Inconsistencies too. It was even more sloppy than the Boo Arc IMO. We have OOC moments and the main villain changing 3 times. Also what fan theories for the Boo Arc? Fusion and Potara power increase? That's not bad writing. It's your opinion that it's not written well.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Once again it's your opinion. Cyborg arc had Inconsistencies too. It was even more sloppy than the Boo Arc IMO. We have OOC moments and the main villain changing 3 times. Also what fan theories for the Boo Arc? Fusion and Potara power increase? That's not bad writing. It's your opinion that it's not written well.

Objective flaws aren't opinion based. You may not like the Cyborg arc as much as the Buu arc, that's all fine and dandy, but what you cannot claim that the Cyborg arc is more poorly written than the Buu arc without providing examples. The Buu arc is poorly written because A.) It builds Gohan up only to have him knocked down by Goku. To see such development thrown away is just glaringly bad. B.) The power scaling is poor. Piccolo makes Kaioshin out to be this immensely powerful guy only to surpassed by the SSJs. We also have Dabura claiming 3 of the 7 people on the cliff have immense power. One would assume Piccolo would be one of the 3, but nope. Instead we see Piccolo get stoned, in what should be Gohan's place. He's only gotten weaker as Piccolo has gotten stronger. There's no way base Gohan is superior to Piccolo even if you believe Goku and Vegeta are. There are just a few examples. C.) Anyone who isn't a SSJ is useless. This trend started to rear it's head during the Cyborg arc, but it's very glaring here. At least Piccolo was useful, hell even Tenshinhan contributed, but in the Buu arc? Hah! If you aren't a freakin SSJ you're f***ed. Honestly Gohan's development being wasted is enough to put this arc below any of the others in terms of writing as far as I'm concerned. As for OOC moments, I don't recall many. Vegeta's pride is through the roof after attaining SSJ. His decision to let Cell become complete actually makes sense. The only one I can recall is Gohan being a pacifist, and even then you could argue the time he had in the ROSAT with his father made him more peaceful. If you really want OOC, look at Goku in the Buu arc. I also don't see what's wrong with a main villain shift. If anything, it adds to the story.