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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by Floader » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:20 pm

I don't mind DBGT's existence as find the series an enjoyable watch for the most part. I have three main complaints regarding GT. First are some of the ridiculous power implications, but this had been an issue going back to the Boo Arc and can be somewhat explained by the series taking on a more light tone similar to early Dragon Ball. Second, was Toei's apparent love fest with Trunks and Pan. I'm not as bothered by it being so Goku centered since he was always the series' main character, but why so much focus on Trunks and Pan throughout the series and so little on other characters? Gohan, Goten, Piccolo, Kuririn? So many series main characters who did literally nothing in GT. Even Vegeta was heavily neglected until the final arc. My third problem is the whole Goku as a child thing. I think it was a decent idea, but would have been better as a short term plot point, resolved after the first arc, than something that lasted the entire series.

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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by Kaboom » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:37 pm

Short answer: Yes, Super Saiyan 4 and the music make GT's existence worthwhile.
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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by SSJ4_Zankuto » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:00 pm

Dragon Ball GT's existence is worth for impressive art of Super Saiyan 4 Son Goku drawn by the character designer Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru. Plus the Kokoro Hikareteku's Dan Dan soundtrack in the opening credits.

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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:49 pm

IMO, GT's ending was good enough to justify it's existence. There were also enough really good scenes thrown in along with the crap to make watching it bearable. And I can't think of any bad GT Piccolo scenes, so there's a plus :thumbup:
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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:54 pm

GT made Piccolo useless. Him in Hell was nothing more then a plot device on the last second to help Goku get out of Hell. Goku could just turn SSj4 and teleport himself out of there on his own. I also remember his death was one of the major things that most fans hated, but I kinda like his death. He is fused with Kami, he loves the Planet enough to die along with it.
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Post by Wobbuffet » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:57 pm

I don't hate GT. It has a nice atmosphere, with good character designs and a great soundtrack.
Though I would sacrifice it to get End of Z characters on videogames.
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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:32 pm

No, it could have been much better, but the SS4s, the villains, Oob, the soundtrack, and the opening/ending songs were great. I mostly enjoyed Baby arc & the final battle with Yi Xing Long.
Hellspawn28 wrote:GT made Piccolo useless.
Piccolo was already useless since Cell almost killed him.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Goku could just turn SSj4 and teleport himself out of there on his own.
I doubt it would be so easy to escape from Hell. Why didn't guys like Cell or Coola escaped like that? It's obvious that you can't just teleport from Hell to the Living World.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:40 pm

I guess Other World has a rule that the dead can't escape when they are dead. Goku is alive which means that he can go anywhere that they want.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:41 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I guess Other World has a rule that the dead can't escape when they are dead. Goku is alive which means that he can go anywhere that they want.
Or, anyone that goes to Hell stays trapped, which is what GT implies.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:43 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:GT made Piccolo useless. Him in Hell was nothing more then a plot device on the last second to help Goku get out of Hell. Goku could just turn SSj4 and teleport himself out of there on his own. I also remember his death was one of the major things that most fans hated, but I kinda like his death. He is fused with Kami, he loves the Planet enough to die along with it.
I don't care if he was useless in the fights. His death scene, him helping Goku out of Hell, and his goodbye to Goku were all great scenes that made at least some small parts of GT enjoyable to me.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:56 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Would you prefer it if GT just didn't exist?
Yes.

Although a few of the concepts used could be refurbished into good stories.
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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by khalildh » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:20 am

I think that a large portion of what went wrong in GT happened because of poorly thought out characterizations for the cast in the early part of the show.

If they got rid of everything before the Baby Arc, I think more people would like DBGT.

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Post by NitroEX » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:50 am

I'de prefer it if it didn't exist. Without GT influencing people's imaginations I think fans would be more optimistic about the future of DB and the characters that spawned at the end of the series. Now that we know Pan, Uub and the rest turned out to be nothing but lame sidekicks there's no more intrigue and wonder left.

Also I would have preferred to end the series on a high rather than being put down like a sickly dog.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:06 am

NitroEX wrote:I'de prefer it if it didn't exist. Without GT influencing people's imaginations I think fans would be more optimistic about the future of DB and the characters that spawned at the end of the series. Now that we know Pan, Uub and the rest turned out to be nothing but lame sidekicks there's no more intrigue and wonder left.

Also I would have preferred to end the series on a high rather than being put down like a sickly dog.
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GT just suffered from bad execution, thats all. There are dozens of great ideas and concepts in GT that just never realized their full potential. We have quite a few threads about this and all with greats changes and additions to GT that would have made it just as good as Z. The series also ended on a high note, giving us a amazing ending and showing the future with Goku and Vegeta Jr.
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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by doomydoomydoom » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:11 pm

I've never seen GT and after finishing Z I vowed that I never would, especially given its reputation for "ruining" the characters and etc. Still, I've warmed up to the idea since and given what I've read about the ending, I think it provides necessary closure that the original story simply didn't, however bittersweet GT's ending seemed to me. So for all its other faults (and there appear to be many) I'm at least glad it exists for that reason, if not for the fact that it always will contain MOAR DRAGON BALL.

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doomydoomydoom wrote:I've never seen GT and after finishing Z I vowed that I never would, especially given its reputation for "ruining" the characters and etc. Still, I've warmed up to the idea since and given what I've read about the ending, I think it provides necessary closure that the original story simply didn't, however bittersweet GT's ending seemed to me. So for all its other faults (and there appear to be many) I'm at least glad it exists for that reason, if not for the fact that it always will contain MOAR DRAGON BALL.

Oh and DAN DAN. A world without Dan Dan would be a bleak, horrifying place to live indeed.
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Re: DBGT's existence

Post by Black_Liger » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:40 pm

I think all fans have a love-hate relationship with GT. I personally like it a lot, know if has huge flaws, but there's a certain charm to it, I always pick it up when I'm tired to Z :P
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Post by Marco Polo » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:46 pm

doomydoomydoom wrote:I've never seen GT and after finishing Z I vowed that I never would, especially given its reputation for "ruining" the characters and etc. Still, I've warmed up to the idea since and given what I've read about the ending, I think it provides necessary closure that the original story simply didn't, however bittersweet GT's ending seemed to me. So for all its other faults (and there appear to be many) I'm at least glad it exists for that reason, if not for the fact that it always will contain MOAR DRAGON BALL.

Oh and DAN DAN. A world without Dan Dan would be a bleak, horrifying place to live indeed.
But DAN DAN has nothing to do with the story of GT. If GT didn't exist, Toei could easily have put that song in another anime.

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Post by Shineman » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:09 pm

I don't get the mindset of "I don't like this, thus I wish it didn't exist!"

That's like me saying "Boo Arc shouldn't exist, since Dragon Ball would be much better without it". If anything, I don't deny a series existence, but rather, wish it was better. Now, regarding to GT, I vastly prefer it over Dragon Ball Z, and equal to Dragon Ball. However, it does contain bad execution that needs to be fix here and there. :)
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:06 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
NitroEX wrote:I'de prefer it if it didn't exist. Without GT influencing people's imaginations I think fans would be more optimistic about the future of DB and the characters that spawned at the end of the series. Now that we know Pan, Uub and the rest turned out to be nothing but lame sidekicks there's no more intrigue and wonder left.
That actually had a reverse effect on me and a lot of other people, actually. How badly Pan and Uub were used in GT makes me really, really want to see them used anew in a different, more proper manner. I honestly don't know if I'd feel as strongly about that if we didn't have the botched take in GT - though I feel this way more strongly with Uub, since I actually don't mind Pan's attitude in GT.
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