The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by qjz123 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:45 am

Bullza wrote:Whis vs Every character to have appeared throughout DBZ and the movies at the same time.

Fusion characters would count as separate characters so there'd be Goku, Vegeta and Vegito.
well ssjg Goku and Birus would be the only people who could even have the slightest chance of taking on Whis and even then judging by the way Whis instantly knocked out Birus I doubt even think they would stand a chance even if they worked together. As for everyone else Whis would be able to take them out all at once.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:53 am

Whis wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:26 pm

Whose the strongest character in GT do you think Whis could take in a fight?

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Post by Tyro » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:32 pm

I think a team-up of Beerus, SSGod Goku, SS(3) Vegetto, and SS(3) Gogeta would be a phenomenal thing to see. Do I think they'd win fighting Beerus? Eh, who the hell knows.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:10 pm

Bullza wrote:Whose the strongest character in GT do you think Whis could take in a fight?
Super 17(after absorbing the 10x Kamehameha).
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:49 pm

Well what if Goku transferred his power to Birus. Then Birus would be a 16 and be stronger than Whis' 15.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:01 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Well what if Goku transferred his power to Birus. Then Birus would be a 16 and be stronger than Whis' 15.
Whis is still more skilled. And he might have hidden techniques that can boost his power.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:16 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:Well what if Goku transferred his power to Birus. Then Birus would be a 16 and be stronger than Whis' 15.
Whis is still more skilled. And he might have hidden techniques that can boost his power.
I feel that your first statement is somewhat premature. We know practically nothing about Whis, other than that he taught Beers. Roshi taught Goku; does that mean he's more skilled than him?
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Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:55 am

Android 17 and 18 VS SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, SSJ Goku (healthy), Piccolo, Dr. Gero (Android) Gohan, Tien, Yamcha and Krillin.

This during the Androids saga and Goku didn't get sick. Imagine Dr. Gero, hypothetically, asking the Z fighters for help because 17 and 18 are disobedient. They then gang up on the two of them before they get a chance to activate 16.

Well more like a SSJ Vegeta (he actually allows Trunks to join in) and SSJ Future Trunks VS Android 18?

While SSJ Goku, Piccolo, Dr. Gero, Gohan, Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin gang up on Android 17?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:15 am

Angelus wrote:Android 17 and 18 VS SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, SSJ Goku (healthy), Piccolo, Dr. Gero (Android) Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin.

This during the Androids saga and Goku didn't get sick. Imagine Dr. Gero, hypothetically, asking the Z fighters for help because 17 and 18 are disobedient. They then gang up on the two of them before they get a chance to activate 16.

Well more like a SSJ Vegeta (he actually allows Trunks to join in) and SSJ Future Trunks VS Android 18?

While SSJ Goku, Piccolo, Dr. Gero, Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin gang up on Android 17?
The Androids win. Gero, Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, and the Earthlings are a non-factor, Goku is weaker than Vegeta, who was, at best, equal to 18, who is the weaker of the two Androids.

Why did you ask the same question in both of your threads?
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Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:24 am

17 did say that even 18 would have trouble fighting all of them (SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, and Krillin) at once. 17 stepped in immediately after SSJ Future Trunks tried to help SSJ Vegeta fight 18. This shows that ganging up on them would still be deemed dangerous for the androids.

You can even divide it more evenly.

SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Future Trunks VS Android 18 from the start. SSJ Future Trunks only joined in after SSJ Vegeta was beat and right after that 17 joined and hit SSJ Future Trunks, so it wasn't really a 2 on 1.

SSJ Goku, Piccolo, Dr. Gero, Gohan, Tien, Yamcha, Krillin VS Android 17

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:32 am

Angelus wrote:17 did say that even 18 would have trouble fighting all of them (SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, and Krillin) at once. 17 stepped in immediately after SSJ Future Trunks tried to help SSJ Vegeta fight 18. This shows that ganging up on them would still be deemed dangerous for the androids.

You can even divide it more evenly.

SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Future Trunks VS Android 18 from the start. SSJ Future Trunks only joined in after SSJ Vegeta was beat and right after that 17 joined and hit SSJ Future Trunks, so it wasn't really a 2 on 1.

SSJ Goku, Piccolo, Dr. Gero, Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin VS Android 17
IIRC, 17 proceeded to one shot Trunks, while 18 slowly took Vegeta apart. 18 could most likely do the same without too much effort, even while fighting Vegeta, especially since Vegeta and Trunks have never fought together before, and would most likely get in each others' way.

17 easily beats the others by himself. All of them except Goku are trash compared to him, and Goku is weaker than Vegeta, who lost to 18, who is weaker than 17.
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Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:39 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:17 easily beats the others by himself. All of them except Goku are trash compared to him, and Goku is weaker than Vegeta, who lost to 18, who is weaker than 17.
At this point in the series, Dr. Gero and Piccolo are of the same league as Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks. Their levels in power aren't huge yet because all 5 are (pre-ROSAT) SSJ level. Dr. Gero and Piccolo would arguably be Namek SSJ Goku level. Having a healthy Goku and Dr. Gero around is like having 2 more SSJs in the team.

Honestly though, do you think all of them would win if they ganged up on 17? That would be SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, SSJ Goku (healthy), Piccolo, Dr. Gero (Android) Gohan, Tien, Yamcha and Krillin VS Android 17.

Also, Trunks was caught off guard when 17 hit him. Trunks didn't get KO'd though, he was still a shiny SSJ until 18 finished Trunks off and then went on to beat Vegeta. This was no 2 on 1.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:41 am

Angelus wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:17 easily beats the others by himself. All of them except Goku are trash compared to him, and Goku is weaker than Vegeta, who lost to 18, who is weaker than 17.
At this point in the series, Dr. Gero and Piccolo are of the same league as Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks. Their levels in power aren't huge yet because all 5 are (pre-ROSAT) SSJ level. Dr. Gero and Piccolo would arguably be Namek SSJ Goku level. Having a healthy Goku and Dr. Gero around is like having 2 more SSJs in the team.

Honestly though, do you think all of them would win if they ganged up on 17? That would be SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, SSJ Goku (healthy), Piccolo, Dr. Gero (Android) Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin VS Android 17.
The 3 Super Saiyans at once might be able to work something out. The others would just get in the way though, unless your counting Kienzan/Kikoho spamming.

Gero is arguably weaker than Freeza, and Piccolo wasn't able to do anything when he fought 17 before.
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Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:44 am

So you're saying there's a very big possibility of SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, and SSJ Goku winning if they teamed up on 18/17?

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Angelus wrote:So you're saying there's a very big possibility of SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, and SSJ Goku winning if they teamed up on 18/17?
Against 18? Probably, assuming there's not a big difference between Goku and Vegeta. If Goku is closer to Trunks, then I think the likelihood of them winning is somewhat lower. 60/40, in favor of the Saiyans.

Against 17, we already know that he's stronger than 18, who took everything that Vegeta could throw at her and came back smiling. So unless they can pull off some haxxed attack without 17 stopping them, then 17 takes this, 4/5 times.
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Angelus wrote:So you're saying there's a very big possibility of SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, and SSJ Goku winning if they teamed up on 18/17?
Against 18? Probably, assuming there's not a big difference between Goku and Vegeta. If Goku is closer to Trunks, then I think the likelihood of them winning is somewhat lower. 60/40, in favor of the Saiyans.

Against 17, we already know that he's stronger than 18, who took everything that Vegeta could throw at her and came back smiling. So unless they can pull off some haxxed attack without 17 stopping them, then 17 takes this, 4/5 times.
Ah so 3 SSJs would give 18 trouble. Now, what of 17 against everyone? 17 VS SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, SSJ Goku (healthy), Piccolo, Dr. Gero (Android) Gohan, Tien, Yamcha and Krillin?

And everyone [SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks, SSJ Goku (healthy), Piccolo, Dr. Gero (Android) Gohan, Tien, Yamcha and Krillin] wins if they ganged up on 18 in your opinion? Say 95% chance?

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Post by khalildh » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:46 am

Movie 13 Goku vs Bootenks from the manga.

Who wins?

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:50 am

khalildh wrote:Movie 13 Goku vs Bootenks from the manga.
Goku gets stomped.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:17 am

khalildh wrote:Movie 13 Goku vs Bootenks from the manga.

Who wins?
Super Buu alone wins.
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