The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheGmGoken]

I'm done. Since spamming ki matters and being 2 - 20x stronger does not. Since killing injured ko people is a feat yet kicking ass is not a fight

[khalildh]

I'm done. Since spamming ki matters and being 2 - 20x stronger does not. Since killing injured ko people is a feat yet kicking ass is not a fight

OK, BYE BYE, but an assumption of 2 - 20x stronger does not an argument make.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You literally just provided examples from other movies and DBGT, which are also known to screw with power level of the characters compared to the manga. The discussion was that SSJ3 Goku is, or at least seems to be, stronger than Gohan in that movie, which is something that goes agaisnt the manga. You are not helping your argument by just pointing out other examples of debatable power level choices in other movies and DBGT.

I was pointing out examples of weaker characters doing better than they should in the anime, like it happens in M13. SS3 Goku is stronger than U. Gohan & SS3 Gotenks if we go by the manga, and it's only logical to assume that the same thing stands in M13 as well, since the events take place after Majin Boo. Gohan & Gotenks didn't tank the hits because they were caught off guard, and because Hildegarn was stronger. Goku was fully prepared to tank the hits & pushed himself to the limits to withstand those hits that were stronger than him. He managed to kill Hildegarn because he found his weakness (he had to stay solid when attacking), and used his more powerful technique to do it. There is nothing that puts in Gohan & Gotenks above Goku in the movie, sure, but there is also nothing in the movie that makes Gohan & Gotenks below Goku a fact. I'm not saying that you are wrong to believe that Goku is the strongest, I'm saying that you are not 100% right.

Most people just assume he's mid ROSAT. He's not constantly a SSJ so assuming he's a FPSSJ is pretty silly.

Super Saiyan Full Power is the only form that can have round eyes, like Super Saiyan 3 is the only form with long hair. So, Goku & Gohan were both Super Saiyan Full Power in the movie, just not as strong as in the Cell Games.

SSj4 GT Gotenks vs. Super Yi Xing Long. Would Gotenks at SSj4 be strong enough to take him down?

Gotenks stomps.

Kid Boo vs Chou Gohan.

If you believe Chou Gohan is stronger you must explain why Vegeta thought Goku ('s Spirit bomb) was a better choice than Gohan.

Gohan stomps. There is enough evidence from the manga & guidebooks that put Ultimate Gohan over a hundred times stronger than Pure Boo & SS3 Goku.

And as for why Vegeta wanted the Genki Dama instead of Gohan & Gotenks, it was because Vegeta wanted the Earthlings to save their asses with their own power instead of having others to do it behind the scenes. He said that.

[khalildh]

Kid Boo vs Chou Gohan.

If you believe Chou Gohan is stronger you must explain why Vegeta thought Goku ('s Spirit bomb) was a better choice than Gohan.

Gohan stomps. There is enough evidence from the manga & guidebooks that put Ultimate Gohan over a hundred times stronger than Pure Boo & SS3 Goku.

And as for why Vegeta wanted the Genki Dama instead of Gohan & Gotenks, it was because Vegeta wanted the Earthlings to save their asses with their own power instead of having others to do it behind the scenes. He said that.

I disagree with Gohan being stronger than Goku, but assuming you are correct in thinking Gohan is stronger, How does Gohan survive if Kid Boo teleports and just blows up the planet?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

How does Gohan survive if Kid Boo teleports and just blows up the planet?

If Boo is teleported on the same side of the planet that Gohan is, Gohan repels the ki blast & then kills Boo. Otherwise, not even SS4 Vegeta can survive.

[khalildh]

How does Gohan survive if Kid Boo teleports and just blows up the planet?

If Boo is teleported on the same side of the planet that Gohan is, Gohan repels the ki blast & then kills Boo. Otherwise, not even SS4 Vegeta can survive.

So then we both agree that in a fight if both of them are blood lusted and thinking only about winning there is no chance that Gohan can possibly win. But Goku can win because he has IT.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So then we both agree that in a fight if both of them are blood lusted and thinking only about winning there is no chance that Gohan can possibly win. But Goku can win because he has IT.

Boo doesn't have the brains to go to the other side of the planet, so the chances for this to happen are low. It will most likely end in a double KO if Boo manages to destroy the planet, since Gohan would survive, kill Boo, and then die from the lack of oxygen.

[khalildh]

So then we both agree that in a fight if both of them are blood lusted and thinking only about winning there is no chance that Gohan can possibly win. But Goku can win because he has IT.

Boo doesn't have the brains to go to the other side of the planet, so the chances for this to happen are low. It will most likely end in a double KO if Boo manages to destroy the planet, since Gohan would survive, kill Boo, and then die from the lack of oxygen.

Teleport into space and blows up planet, gives Gohan no chance of winning. And in your example you are assuming Gohan can kill Kid Boo in a weakened state with less than 1 minute and 30 seconds of time while his blood is evaporating. I see no way Gohan wins.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kid Boo vs Chou Gohan.

If you believe Chou Gohan is stronger you must explain why Vegeta thought Goku ('s Spirit bomb) was a better choice than Gohan.

Also no Absorption allowed.

And no One-shot arguments.

Vegeta thought the Genki Dama was the best option because Gohan would likely get absorbed since Buu would feel threatened. Anyway, Gohan DOES on shot him. Also, your snide against other people needs to stop. The majority of people here believe Pure Buu is weaker than Super Buu, so you are just making yourself look like an ass.

[rereboy]

I wouldn't say it's pointless, I mean, I seem to have been able to do it.

By forcing things to fit, yeah. But I don't feel comfortable with that. When I look at movie 13 for example its so obvious to me that the writers of the movie couldn't care less that Gohan should be the strongest of them all by a large margin. I mean, what Gohan did during the fight is something that I imagine Piccolo could have done. We can literally put Piccolo in Gohan's place during the fight and the movie would make much more sense in regards to the power scaling of the manga. So, if the writers couldn't care less about being faithful to the power scaling of the manga, why even try to rationalize it to fit better with the power scaling of the manga? Its pretty pointless in my view. Since its something that doesn't happen in the main story/timeline/whatever is just better to say that its another world and in there, apparently, Gohan isn't the strongest of them.

[dbzfan7]

RED CODE RANGER here. We got a massive CODE ORANGE with some CODE PINK in the mix. I advise caution to some for the massive headaches you may obtain. To people who are casual debators....



Even though we already have the whole inside Boo scenario which should have ended this debate long ago.

[khalildh]

Kid Boo vs Chou Gohan.

If you believe Chou Gohan is stronger you must explain why Vegeta thought Goku ('s Spirit bomb) was a better choice than Gohan.

Also no Absorption allowed.

And no One-shot arguments.

Vegeta thought the Genki Dama was the best option because Gohan would likely get absorbed since Buu would feel threatened. Anyway, Gohan DOES on shot him. Also, your snide against other people needs to stop. The majority of people here believe Pure Buu is weaker than Super Buu, so you are just making yourself look like an ass.

Bad argument followed by argumentum ad populum, your logical fallacies won't help you win any arguments. Also if you believe that I should care what a majority thinks whether they are right or wrong is both foolish and presumptuous. In my post I said no one shot arguments then you proceeded to not only ignore that, but imply that it is the only possible way when it is already agreed that Kid Boo can teleport and blow up the planet. You can say my comments have snide, but your comments are vacuous and lack meaningful content. You can try and make a decent argument for why Gohan can win or let your betters make the attempt.

[TheGmGoken]

Blue Ranger Goken is here - This have changed to a Code Pink with a hint of Orange. So let's try something different.

Movie 3 Goku vs Rikum

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kid Boo vs Chou Gohan.

If you believe Chou Gohan is stronger you must explain why Vegeta thought Goku ('s Spirit bomb) was a better choice than Gohan.

Also no Absorption allowed.

And no One-shot arguments.

Vegeta thought the Genki Dama was the best option because Gohan would likely get absorbed since Buu would feel threatened. Anyway, Gohan DOES on shot him. Also, your snide against other people needs to stop. The majority of people here believe Pure Buu is weaker than Super Buu, so you are just making yourself look like an ass.

Bad argument followed by argumentum ad populum, your logical fallacies won't help you win any arguments.

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm merely saying stop being snideful douche bag. Goku says he can't take Super Buu and says he can take Pure Buu. Any argument you make in favor of Goku and Pure Buu has to work itself around Goku directly stating he would be killed by Super Buu. You can't just disregard Goku's statement just because you want Goku to be stronger. Now please, can we move on with our lives and not worry about a debate that should have ended a long time ago .

Blue Ranger Goken is here - This have changed to a Code Pink with a hint of Orange. So let's try something different.

Movie 3 Goku vs Rikum

Goku has Kaioken sooooooooo.... Without Kaioken though, it would be a close match with Goku barely winning with a Kamehameha.

[RandomGuy96]

With kaio-ken: Goku, duh.

Without: Goku should be Recoome's equal, but Recoome is durable enough to outlast Goku. Recoome wins.

[VegettoEX]

I can't even tell what some of you are saying.

Stop talking in Internet Speak, and start talking like you are a part of the Kanzenshuu community. This means that every post you make should have substance, be polite, and be worth reading to someone other than your egotistical self. All you're doing is proving the stereotype that battle power / strength comparison-obsessed fans are completely incapable of having a proper discussion.

If you're not interested in posting this way - which you, by the way, agreed to do twice prior to registration - I will be happy to start lodging further strikes against accounts, which can and will result in temporary and/or permanent access revocation to the entirety of the website.

[TheMightyOzaru]

FPSSJ Bebi Gohan vs Pure Evil Buu.

[TheGmGoken]

Which one is Pure Evil Boo Mighty? Since I label my Boo(s) different from you. Is Pure Evil the Gray(Pink in manga) Boo?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Which one is Pure Evil Boo Mighty? Since I label my Boo(s) different from you. Is Pure Evil the Gray(Pink in manga) Boo?

Tis Gray Buu.

[TheGmGoken]

FPSSJ Bebi Gohan wins this then. I see Pure Evil Boo being SSj2 tier(Z) and have FPSSJ Bebi Gohan above Base Vegtea who is stronger than SSj2 GOku Z(IMO). Using your theory of small burst of SSJ in base form(Nice theory btw)