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TheGmGoken wrote:FPSSJ Bebi Gohan wins this then. I see Pure Evil Boo being SSj2 tier(Z) and have FPSSJ Bebi Gohan above Base Vegtea who is stronger than SSj2 GOku Z(IMO). Using your theory of small burst of SSJ in base form(Nice theory btw)
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Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
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VegettoEX wrote:I can't even tell what some of you are saying.
Stop talking in Internet Speak, and start talking like you are a part of the Kanzenshuu community. This means that every post you make should have substance, be polite, and be worth reading to someone other than your egotistical self. All you're doing is proving the stereotype that battle power / strength comparison-obsessed fans are completely incapable of having a proper discussion.
If you're not interested in posting this way - which you, by the way, agreed to do twice prior to registration - I will be happy to start lodging further strikes against accounts, which can and will result in temporary and/or permanent access revocation to the entirety of the website.
For context who was this directed at? I can't tell if you are referring to my last post or not.
VegettoEX wrote:I can't even tell what some of you are saying.
Stop talking in Internet Speak, and start talking like you are a part of the Kanzenshuu community. This means that every post you make should have substance, be polite, and be worth reading to someone other than your egotistical self. All you're doing is proving the stereotype that battle power / strength comparison-obsessed fans are completely incapable of having a proper discussion.
If you're not interested in posting this way - which you, by the way, agreed to do twice prior to registration - I will be happy to start lodging further strikes against accounts, which can and will result in temporary and/or permanent access revocation to the entirety of the website.
For context who was this directed at? I can't tell if you are referring to my last post or not.
He's referring to all of us.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours." Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePrinceOfSaiyajins My 3DS Friend Code:
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goku the krump dancer wrote:Cell Jrs vs Bojacks Crew
Cell Jrs vs Goten and Trunks
Goten and Trunks vs Cell Games Vegeta and Future Trunks
Goten and Trunks vs Cell Games Goku and Gohan
Whenever I hear "Cell Jrs", I'm just going to assume you mean all the Cell Juniors. Seven of them. In that case:
Cell Juniors win, barring intervention from Bojack himself.
Goten and Trunks... well, going by the Daiz they probably can take this. I don't think they're QUITE that high though, so I think the Juniors take this via pure numbers.
Goten and Trunks ANNIHILATE Future Trunks and Vegeta.
Again, going by the Daiz, it's a toss-up, but I'd still bet that Gohan and Goku would win because the kids are extremely unskilled. Just by my personal estimate, I thikn that they'd be equal to Goku individually, so the addition of Gohan would mean a handy victory for team 2.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Gogeta stomps Goku into dust. Even normal Syn Shenron could do it.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Gogeta wins by flicking his hand, and the air kills Goku. Goku only needs to be more powerful than Super Vegetto, nothing more. Birusu was only a solar system buster, so his feats are not very impressive.
God Goku is stated to be Goku's strongest form in the video games, so he wins.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
The number of Cell Jrs match the number of combatants so there're four of them for Bojacks gang and two of them for the brats.
Even though Future Trunks one shotted Gokua, I still think the fight between Bojacks crew and the little Cells could go either way depending on who could divide and conquer first.
Goten and Trunks take the win against the Cell Jrs imo but it'll be the fight of their lives.
Also Gogeta does his blink kiai thing and sends Godku on his marry way.
It's not too late. One day, it will be.
Peace And Power MF DOOM!
Peace and Power Kevin Samuels
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Puar (Yamcha's biggest fanboy) Vs. Chiaotzu (Tenshinan's biggest fanboy)
Arguments for Chiaotzu
* He's clearly stronger than Puar.
* Has Psychic Powers.
Arguments for Puar
* Chiaotzu is incapable of winning a fight and lost all 3 fights (Krillin, Tao, Nappa).
* Puar is undefeated and won all 3 fights (Oolong, Oozaru Goku, Vampire Man).
Funny how Yamcha's biggest fanboy is the undefeated one.
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Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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Cell Juniors vs. Bojack's gang (minus Bojack)--depends on whether or not the Juniors can regenerate as well as Daddy. If not, Bojack's gang could beat them, but the little Cells will still put up a tough fight first, and Gokua/Kogu will most likely end up dead and the others won't be in great shape by the end, either. If their regeneration is up to par with Perfect Cell, then they probably win unless Bojack's gang manages to kill one off early so they end up with an advantage in numbers (so one of them can paralyze the Cell Juniors with those psychic thread things, and the others can blast them or something.) I figure both sides here are on a similar level overall, but Gokua/Kogu being weak enough that Trunks (who can only barely fight a single Cell Jr.) can kill him without much trouble weighs Bojack's gang down a bit when compared to the all-equally-strong Cell Juniors.
Cell Juniors beat the crap out of Goten and Trunks, even if the Cell kids have the disadvantage of being stuck in a Mighty Mask costume at the time. Goten and Trunks kill the Cells easily (...as Gotenks) if they're allowed to fuse, though. Unless the Cells learn the Fusion Dance from seeing Goten and Trunks do it and manage to use it before Gotenks can finish them off, in which case Gotenks is screwed (...unless SSj3 is enough of a boost to beat the fused Cells, anyway. Which seems possible, depending on just how much stronger fusion made the Cells and how much of a gap there was between the two pairs of kids in the first place.)
Vegeta and Trunks also beat the crap out of Goten and Trunks. But again, Gotenks still beats the adult Saiyans easily even though the kids without fusion have no chance.
Goku and Gohan pretty much effortlessly beat the crap out of Goten and Trunks. I mean, come on, Gohan was weaker 7 years later and was still significantly stronger than the kids (screw the random Goten = Gohan statement in one guide that's literally never supported by anything else ever--Goten basically says that Gohan's level seems amazing to him, and he couldn't even manage to hit him when they were training together. Yes, Gohan worries that the kids might pass him before too long if they really get into training... but considering that he has first-hand experience with just how quickly a half-Saiyan's power can shoot up when they start seriously fighting and training, that doesn't necessarily mean they're actually close to him at the time that's said.)
So of course his stronger past self (plus dad) would beat them. But, once again, the kids can win if they're allowed to fuse. Nobody back in the Cell Games era would be able to stand up to regular old Super Saiyan Gotenks, let alone the SSj3 version.
goku the krump dancer wrote:Cell Jrs vs Bojacks Crew
Cell Jrs vs Goten and Trunks
Goten and Trunks vs Cell Games Vegeta and Future Trunks
Goten and Trunks vs Cell Games Goku and Gohan
Cell Jr's win even if it's four on four.
Goten and Trunks, but it'll be a tough fight.
Goten and Trunks with some difficulty.
Goku and Gohan.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
cesarcoronel07 wrote:Goku and Chichi vs. Vegeta and Bulma
Goku vs. Pan
Cell vs. Kid Goten and Trunks
and Bills vs. SSJ 4 Goku
Goku turns SS3 and kills Vegeta with a threatening glare. Chi Chi punches Bulma so hard she explodes.
Dude, what?
Again, what?
SS4 Goku = Super Vegetto < SS2 Vegetto < SS3 Vegetto < SSG Goku < 70% Beers < Beers.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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