Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[TheAldella]

Wow! I'm baffled I've shown all my mates the trailer and they seem to love it! Not baffled 'cuz they liked the trailer (because I do too, alreary pre ordered an all) but coming on here all I see is hate . Is there there something I'm guinely missing?
Also, I think the dragon boxes are overrated .

I, too, think they're slightly overrated...but that may just be the story of the tiger and the grapes that he can't reach coming to play.
It's just that they're being stupid with how they're remastering it. I Guess it might look a bit newer, but we're losing so much for the illusion.

[VegettoEX]

Wow! I'm baffled I've shown all my mates the trailer and they seem to love it! Not baffled 'cuz they liked the trailer (because I do too, alreary pre ordered an all) but coming on here all I see is hate . Is there there something I'm guinely missing?
Also, I think the dragon boxes are overrated .

I don't know what else there is to say. Either you're reading and not actually taking in what you're reading, or... well, that's basically it.

If you're like me, you have issues with:

- the very principle of it being cropped
- the remastering process looking terrible (smothered images, blurred lines, oversatured colors, etc.)
- the remastering process being a step back from a genuinely good product (the "Level" sets) that was canceled in favor of this product
- having to re-live 2007 all over again
- and so on and so forth

I mean, if you've read all that and you're still "baffled" by it, you're not approaching it from the same perspective as me... which is a fine perspective to have, but if you're not even attempting to understand it, then no, you're not going to get anything out of this discussion.

[Super Sayian Prime]

I wonder what Funimation will do when they start releasing 4K Blu-rays because the big selling point of that is seeing minute details that will all have been destroyed by their restoration process.

[KingofWisdom]

Wow! I'm baffled I've shown all my mates the trailer and they seem to love it! Not baffled 'cuz they liked the trailer (because I do too, alreary pre ordered an all) but coming on here all I see is hate . Is there there something I'm guinely missing?
Also, I think the dragon boxes are overrated .

This just seems to be a confused product, all though it's an intentional move on FUNimation's part. It doesn't genuinely look new, because the only way that'd happen is if it were reanimated. So instead of looking new or true to its original, unaltered footage, it looks dolled up like a whore (to use Julian's description of the orange brick remaster). That's not to say I have a problem with you liking it. Those are just my thoughts on the matter.

[TheAldella]

I wonder what Funimation will do when they start releasing 4K Blu-rays because the big selling point of that is seeing minute details that will all have been destroyed by their restoration process.

I imagine that at that point, they'll re-release the level sets, because their super geniuses said that the video had to be compressed a lot to fit on BluRay. XD

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The brightness I can see as being an issue, especially Piccolo. But maybe it'll be toned down for the release.
However, I don't mind the cropping (hell I even voted for 16:9).
Finally regarding the remastering process I found the level sets to be too 'grainy' personally.

[KingofWisdom]

Finally regarding the remastering process I found the level sets to be too 'grainy' personally.

It's supposed to look that way.

[PhoenixEX]

I wonder what Funimation will do when they start releasing 4K Blu-rays because the big selling point of that is seeing minute details that will all have been destroyed by their restoration process.

FUNi will probably market the 4K version as the ultimate definite way of experiencing the world of Dragon Ball. Watch.
They'll over saturate the bluray version to make it super extra shiny and "newer" than new.

However, I don't mind the cropping (hell I even voted for 16:9).

I...was taught that if I have nothing nice to say then I shouldn't say anything at all.

[TheAldella]

I wonder what Funimation will do when they start releasing 4K Blu-rays because the big selling point of that is seeing minute details that will all have been destroyed by their restoration process.

FUNi will probably market the 4K version as the ultimate definite way of experiencing the world of Dragon Ball. Watch.

And they'll use those words exactly...Maybe with the phrase Super Saiyan thrown in somewhere.

[Metalwario64]

(hell I even voted for 16:9).

...Why?

Also, every HDTV I've seen in person has had a DNR setting. If you want it to fill your screen, click to zoom button. If you want it to be smoothed out, flip the DNR setting.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Finally regarding the remastering process I found the level sets to be too 'grainy' personally.

It's supposed to look that way.

Really? Well thank goodness it was cancelled then lol

[KingofWisdom]

Finally regarding the remastering process I found the level sets to be too 'grainy' personally.

It's supposed to look that way.

Really? Well thank goodness it was cancelled then lol

No, no, no, I meant Dragon Ball Z is supposed to look that way. Not the set itself.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

(hell I even voted for 16:9).

...Why?

Also, every HDTV I've seen in person has had a DNR setting. If you want it to fill your screen, click to zoom button. If you want it to be smoothed out, flip the DNR setting.

I tried with my Kai blu ray messed about with every setting on both ps3 and tv but it wouldn't zoom in.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

[/quote]
No, no, no, I meant Dragon Ball Z is supposed to look that way. Not the set itself.[/quote]
Ahhhh ok, ok I get you now. Man, now I'm being to see why you guys are pissed off to say the least

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, to play devil's advocate, the Level sets were too grainy, the consequence of FUNimation having a multi-generational film print with multiple generations of grain superimposed on top of each other, so... no, strictly speaking, it's not supposed to look QUITE like that, but it's a hell of a lot closer than this monstrosity, and I'd much prefer some extra dupe grain to FUNimation systematically wiping out all texture and detail.

Again, it's the difference between doing the best with your available resources (the Level sets) and just purposely trying to screw everything up (both season sets).

[qjz123]

Well, to play devil's advocate, the Level sets were too grainy, the consequence of FUNimation having a multi-generational film print with multiple generations of grain superimposed on top of each other, so... no, strictly speaking, it's not supposed to look QUITE like that, but it's a hell of a lot closer than this monstrosity, and I'd much prefer some extra dupe grain to FUNimation systematically wiping out all texture and detail.

Again, it's the difference between doing the best with your available resources (the Level sets) and just purposely trying to screw everything up (both season sets).

Thats not necessarily true If you look at this image it shows that the raw 1080p film scan is much more grainy than the actual level sets footage.
http://imageshack.us/a/img571/7290/awjm.png
In the remastering featurette Funimation said they ran the footage through filters to process the grain and noise they slightly DNR'ed the footage. So the resulting image is most likely what the footage would look like without all of the extra grain placed on top of it because they're using multigenerational film prints.

[Gaffer Tape]

I... don't think that's true. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, the Dragon Boxes didn't undergo any kind of substantial (if any) grain removal, and they were working from the source, so, lower resolution notwithstanding, they're a better indicator of the kind of grain structure the original film has.

Besides that, I don't see much grain difference between the two halves of your picture (which is a good thing... means they didn't wipe away too much detail). Also, I would assume FUNimation's goal would have been to remove enough grain to look good for them, not any kind of meticulous comparison to make sure it perfectly matched the grain structure from other sources (and I honestly don't expect them to). Finally, the last time I saw FUNimation do a before/after comparison, they added fake grain to the before, so don't expect me to trust them.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Well, hopefully having to live 2007 over again also means having to live 2009 over again. Which is another way of saying that hopefully, Toei will eventually release their own, properly-executed HD remastering of DBZ, at which point FUNimation will license that and all will be well.

Hey, one can dream.

[Toriyama-sama]

Well, hum... I don't even know what to say...

OK, I got one thing: at least I don't have to feel bad for not buying Dragon Ball Z on Blu-ray. If only Toei...

[Fizzer]

I'm going to waste my life waiting for my definitive release