The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

Fat Buu can't sense energy.

Fine. He can still see the mass of green goo that's forming arms and legs right in front of him.

He grew back fairly quickly. He would also have the zenkai so who's to say Buu could even dispose of it.

And this brings me to the point I made in my last post. If Cell gets zenkais, why doesn't Buu get his rage boosts?

[Kakashi]

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

[TheMightyOzaru]

Zenkais are part of Cell's Saiyan ability. The question at hand is who would win between Buu an Cell at equal powers. Well initially, he would be equal. His Saiyan ability to get stronger, which was not excluded from the match up, would give him the edge. Buu doesn't get rage boosts because that's his natural power. It's just restricted by the Kaioshin he has in him.

[RandomGuy96]

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

Buu absolutely ANNIHILATES Vegeta, using half his power, with one hand tied behind his back.

Oh, and Kamiccolo, I kind of disagree with your signature quote. A lot of people would beat 18 at equal power levels; Cooler, for example. Or Janemba. Probably Dabra too.

[Kamiccolo9]

Zenkais are part of Cell's Saiyan ability. The question at hand is who would win between Buu an Cell at equal powers. Well initially, he would be equal. His Saiyan ability to get stronger, which was not excluded from the match up, would give him the edge. Buu doesn't get rage boosts because that's his natural power. It's just restricted by the Kaioshin he has in him.

Zenkais unlock dormant power within the Saiyan/Cell. They are just as "natural" as Buu's rage boosts, which also draw on his dormant power.

And if zenkais are included, then they are no longer at equal powers, which violates the terms of the fight.

Oh, and Kamiccolo, I kind of disagree with your signature quote. A lot of people would beat 18 at equal power levels; Cooler, for example. Or Janemba. Probably Dabra too.

Well, the quote was initially in response to a fight involving all of the Z-Senshi at once, so none of them would be counted. I added it mainly for the Buu part.

[Kakashi]

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

Buu absolutely ANNIHILATES Vegeta, using half his power, with one hand tied behind his back.

Oh, and Kamiccolo, I kind of disagree with your signature quote. A lot of people would beat 18 at equal

How?

[RandomGuy96]

By being much stronger.

[Kakashi]

By being much stronger.

How is he much stronger?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Zenkais are part of Cell's Saiyan ability. The question at hand is who would win between Buu an Cell at equal powers. Well initially, he would be equal. His Saiyan ability to get stronger, which was not excluded from the match up, would give him the edge. Buu doesn't get rage boosts because that's his natural power. It's just restricted by the Kaioshin he has in him.

Zenkais unlock dormant power within the Saiyan/Cell. They are just as "natural" as Buu's rage boosts, which also draw on his dormant power.

And if zenkais are included, then they are no longer at equal powers, which violates the terms of the fight.

I don't recall that being stated anywhere, but it's still a natural ability Saiyans have, and Cell would get stronger soooooooo.... Umm no, Buu's rage boosts come from his natural power. His natural power is just restricted by the Kaioshin he absorbed. They are at equal powers initially so I don't see the problem here.

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

Good Buu wins because he's stronger.

[rereboy]

Super Perfect Cell vs Boo

1. Battle Power is similar for the fight.
2. Neither can use absorption.
3. No Magic.
4. If Boo blows up the planet we are assuming Cell can survive in space.

Who Wins?

Buu because of his superior regeneration.

Cell has Zenkais so he wins.

Cell only gets zenkais from near death experiences and he actually gets weaker form normal, non life-threating, regeneration unlike Buu, not to mention that he is much slower than Buu at regenerating. If Cell gets to the point of a near death experience, Buu, thanks to the speed of his regeneration and the fact that he never loses power regenerating, would never allow him to recuperate, he would just finish the job.

[RandomGuy96]

By being much stronger.

How is he much stronger?

He split off of a being that the Daiz implies is as strong as Super Buu, and was actually able to put up a fight against Pure Buu, marking him as low SS3-tier.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Cell has Zenkais so he wins.

Cell only gets zenkais from near death experiences.

I'm aware.

[rereboy]

Cell has Zenkais so he wins.

Cell only gets zenkais from near death experiences.

I'm aware.

Then, like I said, the only way Cell could win would be if Buu actually allowed him to recuperate from such a fragile position. I don't see that happening.

[Kamiccolo9]

Cell has Zenkais so he wins.

Cell only gets zenkais from near death experiences.

I'm aware.

Did you read the rest of his post? It's what I've been saying all along, and you haven't addressed it. What stops Buu from simply annihilating a regenerating Cell? Or just beating him to death after Cell exhausts himself?

[RandomGuy96]

I don't know how you think Cell is gonna get a zenkai. A blast that takes off a limb just makes him weaker; a blast that engulfs his whole body kills him. Buu would have to fire a very specific blast purposely so that Cell could a zenkai from it for that to work. Hell, it may not even work unless Cell blows himself up.

Also, for all the talk about Cell's zenkais being a huge advantage, they did nothing to help him at any time prior to the climax, where he blew HIMSELF up. And he didn't even know he could do that.

So Buu still dominates this fight, despite the match-up being biased in Cell's favor (taking away Buu's absorption and magic).

Even if Cell does get stronger than Buu, there's little he can do to stop Buu from forcing himself down Cell's throat, or hold Cell in place while he blows himself up (I'm assuming this is Super Buu, as he's the only one we see use these techniques, as well as the most intelligent form of Buu).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

By Good Boo, you mean the one that got absorbed by Pure Evil Boo or the one that was expelled from Pure Boo (Mr. Boo)? Because Mr. Boo is stronger than Good Boo IMO. I believe that the reason Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo and not Pure Evil Boo is because the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was passed to Good Boo, increasing his power. So, when Mr. Boo was removed, Pure Boo didn't have any Kaioshin influence in him.

But either way, Vegeta wins. Mr. Boo doesn't seem to be fighting much better than SS2 Vegeta against Pure Boo, and he seems to only lasted longer because of his stamina & regeneration. After some time, Mr. Boo got in the same position that Vegeta was.

[Kakashi]

Zenkais are part of Cell's Saiyan ability. The question at hand is who would win between Buu an Cell at equal powers. Well initially, he would be equal. His Saiyan ability to get stronger, which was not excluded from the match up, would give him the edge. Buu doesn't get rage boosts because that's his natural power. It's just restricted by the Kaioshin he has in him.

Zenkais unlock dormant power within the Saiyan/Cell. They are just as "natural" as Buu's rage boosts, which also draw on his dormant power.

And if zenkais are included, then they are no longer at equal powers, which violates the terms of the fight.

I don't recall that being stated anywhere, but it's still a natural ability Saiyans have, and Cell would get stronger soooooooo.... Umm no, Buu's rage boosts come from his natural power. His natural power is just restricted by the Kaioshin he absorbed. They are at equal powers initially so I don't see the problem here.

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

Good Buu wins because he's stronger.

By how much and why?

[RandomGuy96]

Buu actually got some hits in on Buu, who looked annoyed and angry. We know that you can't do that when you're that much weaker than someone. By contrast, Buu was laughing while beating up Vegeta. Buu's performance seemed closer to Goku's then Vegeta's, as they both landed a few hits on Buu before losing the advantage and getting toyed with. Only difference is that Vegeta bailed out Goku before Buu could get to the REAL beating, while Buu had no one to bail him out.

Even without factoring in power, Buu is simply too skilled and resilient for Vegeta.

[Kakashi]

By being much stronger.

How is he much stronger?

He split off of a being that the Daiz implies is as strong as Super Buu, and was actually able to put up a fight against Pure Buu, marking him as low SS3-tier.

Evil Boo >>>>> Fat Boo and Good Boo is high SSjin 2 tier at most. Pure Boo was toying with him

[Kamiccolo9]

SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Good Boo

By Good Boo, you mean the one that got absorbed by Pure Evil Boo or the one that was expelled from Pure Boo (Mr. Boo)? Because Mr. Boo is stronger than Good Boo IMO. I believe that the reason Evil Boo reverted to Pure Boo and not Pure Evil Boo is because the Kaioshin influence from Pure Evil Boo was passed to Good Boo, increasing his power. So, when Mr. Boo was removed, Pure Boo didn't have any Kaioshin influence in him.

But either way, Vegeta wins. Mr. Boo doesn't seem to be fighting much better than SS2 Vegeta against Pure Boo, and he seems to only lasted longer because of his stamina & regeneration. After some time, Mr. Boo got in the same position that Vegeta was.

What exactly is Vegeta going to do to Buu though? If Buu could take hits from Pure Buu, then he should be able to shrug off anything Vegeta (who is at most 25% of Pure Buu's strength,) could throw at him. Vegeta just doesn't have a way of overcoming Buu's regeneration, and Buu could just turn him into a cookie or something.