Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TheGmGoken]

Could't Gotenks do a similar attack?

[Super Vegetto]

Finaly, fight begins next page...

[TheMightyOzaru]

I, um... OK... I don't see how a technique like that can be used to contain Buu, if the users power does not exceed Buu's .

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's likely some kind of 'magic' based technique, rather than ki-based, so that strength doesn't really come into it. Kind of like Babidi's own sealing spell - there's no way his power is above or even near Boo's obviously, but he can still seal him away.

[Godo]

I, um... OK... I don't see how a technique like that can be used to contain Buu, if the users power does not exceed Buu's .

Babidi's power didn't exceed Buu's, yet he managed to contain Buu.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Hold on. I just thought about it. Isn't there going to be time discrepancy? In Chapter 33, Vegetto escaped from the dimension he was trapped in and popped up in the Bardock/Cold match and left. Then Boo went on a rampage, but later got contained. But in the current chapter, we see Vegetto gets calm down and returned, and Buu is still being contained, but Bardock vs. Cold isn't going to start for much later....

[TheGmGoken]

Hold on. I just thought about it. Isn't there going to be time discrepancy? In Chapter 33, Vegetto escaped from the dimension he was trapped in and popped up in the Bardock/Cold match and left. Then Boo went on a rampage, but later got contained. But in the current chapter, we see Vegetto gets calmed down and returned, and Buu is still being contained, but Bardock vs. Cold isn't going to start for much later....

They been doing so many "flashbacks" fights that they forgot their own story

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

Plus, according to that chapter, Buu wasn't actually contained during the Bardock vs King Cold fight.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'd imagine it's going to be Cold and Bardock picking up from where they left off, rather than showing us the early part of their match. We'll either not see that at all, or see it at the tail end of the next 'flashback' chapter, if I had to guess.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Plus, according to that chapter, Buu wasn't actually contained during the Bardock vs King Cold fight.

Uhh.. Yeah, he was. Gast just contained him right after Vegetto left the tournament during the Bardock vs Cold match.

[Tzigi]

Hold on. I just thought about it. Isn't there going to be time discrepancy? In Chapter 33, Vegetto escaped from the dimension he was trapped in and popped up in the Bardock/Cold match and left. Then Boo went on a rampage, but later got contained. But in the current chapter, we see Vegetto gets calmed down and returned, and Buu is still being contained, but Bardock vs. Cold isn't going to start for much later....

They been doing so many "flashbacks" fights that they forgot their own story

Let's get the chronology straight (especially since it's quite logical when you pull the camera back):
1. The fight between XXI and Vegetto begins on page 724 (chapter 33). The same moment is shown in the first 4 panels of page 767 (chapter 35).
2. XXI wins on page 768 (chapter 35).
3. Later we get two fights - Arale vs #18 (pages 770 to 777 - all in chapter 35) and Gotenks vs Nekomajin (pages 779 to 788 - also chapter 35).
4. Universe 2 (minus Mary Sue) takes off on page 789 - the last one of chapter 35.
5. This part was not shown to this point but there's a high probability that there were two more fights:
- Buu vs Tensinhan - a fight that Buu probably won - as evidenced by the fact that on page 794 Dai Kaioshin mentions liberating Buu for his (Buu's) upcoming fights.
- Bra vs Eleim - all we know is that it has happened - on page 730 Bra mentions the fact that Vegetto missed her fight.
6. Then, also not shown to this point, began the fight: Bardock vs King Cold - on page 727 (chapter 33) both of them are already fighting
7. During this fight Vegetto breaks out of the dimension XXI put him in - page 726, chapter 33.

So here we learn that during points 2-6 Vegetto spent 1 hour 44 minutes/20 seconds (depending on the time frame of a given dimension) - the precise number are given on page 730, chapter 33 - in another dimension (like a reverse RoSaT). His time there is depicted on pages 725 and 726, chapter 33.

8. Vegetto learns that he has lost and throws a tantrum - attacking Bardock and King Cold in the process (page 729, chapter 33).
9. Vegetto calms down a little and teleports away on page 733 (chapter 33).
10. Buu learns that there probably won't be a rematch XXI-Vegetto and throws a tantrum - pages 735 to 744 (chapter 33) - while Vegetto sits all alone on some asteroid (page 742, chapter 33).
11. Gast takes three pages to stop and magically contain Buu (744 to 746, chapter 33).
12. We learn that Vargas and Kaioshins can't for the moment send Buu back (beginning of page 791, chapter 36).
13. Vegetto comes back from his short asteroid voyage (last panel of page 791 and page 792, chapter 36).
14. Buu manages to be left in the tournament (pages 793 to 795, chapter 36).
15. Presumably the fight between Bardock and King Cold - interrupted first by Vegetto (point 8.) and then by Buu (point 10.) - resumes.

[rereboy]

I, um... OK... I don't see how a technique like that can be used to contain Buu, if the users power does not exceed Buu's .

Roshi and Mutaito could trap Piccolo, who was much stronger than them. And Piccolo Jr only manage to become immune to the technique because he learned how to counteract it, not because he became stronger.

Hold on. I just thought about it. Isn't there going to be time discrepancy? In Chapter 33, Vegetto escaped from the dimension he was trapped in and popped up in the Bardock/Cold match and left. Then Boo went on a rampage, but later got contained. But in the current chapter, we see Vegetto gets calm down and returned, and Buu is still being contained, but Bardock vs. Cold isn't going to start for much later....

There is nothing wrong. Vegetto returned from the other dimension in the middle of the fight between Bardock and Cold and interrupted it. He got mad for being disqualified and left. Then Buu got mad and started attacking. Gast put an end to that. Vegetto returned after sulking to discover that he had missed Buu attacking everyone. And now they are continuing the fights by resuming the Cold VS Bardock fight that got interrupted by Vegetto earlier.

We just haven't seen yet what happened after the fight between Gotenks and Neko ended and before Vegetto interrupted the beginning of the Cold VS Bardock fight, but they will probably show that in the next special.

[dario03]

Another possibility is that Daikaioshin is actually Ginyu and is working with Buu (or a bit more complicated like Buu absorbed Ginyu and gained the ability to use body switch while in a multiform and is controlling Daikaioshin himself). Could be Buu is actually just keeping himself like that so he can do something later, like when Gast is in a fight. Nothing to really base that on, but maybe.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I, um... OK... I don't see how a technique like that can be used to contain Buu, if the users power does not exceed Buu's .

Babidi's power didn't exceed Buu's, yet he managed to contain Buu.

Fair enough.

[Pantalones]

This actually could kind of explain why Buu bothered to absorb Dai Kaioshin, even though he was weaker in raw power than South Kaioshin (and he'd already absorbed South Kaioshin by the time he went after Dai Kaioshin, so the power gap would be even more ridiculous. There had to be something special about the Dai Kaioshin that made Buu see him as enough of a threat to absorb, rather than just wiping him out and not bothering to absorb him like he did with the weaker North and West.) He may have been less powerful, but he's also capable of learning pretty much any technique just by seeing it used and can probably still mess somebody up with the variety of techniques he's picked up on over the (thousands or millions of) years, even if whoever he's fighting is technically stronger than he is.

Basically... Dai Kaioshin was the source of Buu's ability to instantly learn attacks just by watching them--like how he picks up the Kamehameha mid-battle with Goku, possibly copied Vegeta's self-destruct move (he did blow himself up as Super Buu, after all... and who knows, if he wasn't made of magic regenerating goop, his self-destruction might have killed him just like Vegeta's killed its user), and then later copies the Kaioshin teleportation technique, just by seeing them performed once. All of this was done when he still had the Daio Kaioshin inside him (though in the last case Fat Buu--who had whatever was left of the Dai Kaioshin inside him--was disconnected, but still inside), and Kid Buu certainly doesn't have the kind of intelligence required to figure out techniques so quickly on his own (and we know he was still being influenced by Fat Buu's presence even though the pod was disconnected--he couldn't attack Mr. Satan until he kicked him out--so Dai Kaioshin's instant-technique-learning ability might still be hanging around, too), so it fits.

This also means that Buu doesn't necessarily learn the techniques of people he's absorbed just by absorbing them, even though he does gain some features of people he absorbs (like Piccolo's intelligence, South Kaioshin's physical strength, other slight body changes depending on who he's absorbed, and so on), since he didn't seem to pick up on the Kaioshin teleportation move until after he saw Kibito-Kaioshin use it... even though he had already absorbed two Kaioshins and should know their techniques, if that was how his absorption worked. He needs to actually see the attack in use before he can copy it, so he doesn't automatically get things like the Makankosappo or Masenko just because he absorbed Piccolo or Gohan--they never used those against him, so he probably doesn't even know what they are. This would also add Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack to the list of techniques he's copied after seeing them used; note that he didn't use that one while Gotenks was still fused inside him, only later on when he was getting desperate against Vegerot, so the idea that he picked it up simply by absorbing Gotenks doesn't really work (unless you want to argue that Goten and Trunks can now use that attack even when not fused after Gotenks comes up with it, anyway.)

Maybe the "candy beam" trick was also something Buu picked up from the Dai Kaioshin, learning it "after the fact" once he absorbed the guy since he saw it in use during their fight and the memory of the attack was still recent enough that he could figure it out with his newly-gained Dai Kaioshin technique-analyzing abilities. It certainly seems to fit Fat Buu's personality (which was heavily influenced by Dai Kaioshin) more than it does the mindless destroyer that Kid Buu was, after all. Hell, maybe all of Buu's various tricks (possible exception being the regeneration, since that seems to depend on his body being magical goo) were originally moves Dai Kaioshin used in battle with him way back then. Stretchy-arms, screams that break the boundaries of dimensions, transforming beams, pink ki blasts with enough energy packed into a small-looking blast to blow up a planet instantly, swarms of ki blasts that home in on specific ki signatures over a planet-wide range, etc...

[Puto]

That doesn't really work in DBM canon considering it was stated that in the universes where the Great Kaiō Shin got absorbed, he 'destroyed his own brain' right before being absorbed to make Boo stupid.

[FoolsGil]

That doesn't really work in DBM canon considering it was stated that in the universes where the Great Kaiō Shin got absorbed, he 'destroyed his own brain' right before being absorbed to make Boo stupid.

Source?

[Tzigi]

That doesn't really work in DBM canon considering it was stated that in the universes where the Great Kaiō Shin got absorbed, he 'destroyed his own brain' right before being absorbed to make Boo stupid.

Source?

Page 560.

[Pantalones]

Ah... yeah, that would throw things off a bit.

I guess something like what I posted before could still work as an explanation of why Buu absorbed the Dai Kaioshin in the canon DBZ universe, though. Since it seems the official explanation for Buu's stupidity was... he was just pretty dumb to begin with, and only changed by going from "raging mindless destruction"-type dumb to something more along the lines of "happy innocent child"-type dumb due to a reaction between the evil magic he's made of and the Dai Kaioshin's pureness. Dai Kaioshin having some sort of special attribute or technique that would make him difficult to fight even with a power gap seems to be about the only way to make him actually seem like an absorption-worthy threat for not just Kid Buu, but the even-stronger bulky Buu that had absorbed the South Kaioshin already.

The "destroying his brain" thing is kind of strange and doesn't seem to really fit with what we see of Buu's development, though. In a way Buu actually seems to have gotten smarter after absorbing the Dai Kaioshin, since Kid Buu was basically a living weapon (lives for the sole purpose of destroying everything around him, doesn't or CAN'T care about anything else) while Fat Buu is more open to learning other things and developing as an individual (he may not be super smart right off the bat, but he has the capacity to learn, and that's got to count for something.) Heck, the first thing he did (even before Mr. Satan told him that killing was bad) after calming down from his last rampage was to build himself a house and try to live something vaguely resembling a normal life. Kid Buu getting tired of blowing stuff up and building a house, reading the newspaper, and using the potty instead just wouldn't ever happen. XD

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But Pure Boo could use the Transfiguration Beam and Mimicry (he copied the Kamehameha & Kai-Kai).