Freezer = P.Cell ~= 12.000.000 demonstrated with the manga

[TheMightyOzaru]

Not to butt in to this witty and learned discussion, but you folks do realize that Freeza's "100% power" is actually listed at 120 million, right? (By comparison, Super Saiyan Goku is shown as 150 million in the same guidebook scan.) Even the original poster is underestimating his power by a factor of ten.

Not gonna take sides here, though. In fact, I'm inclined to lock unless everybody in this thread can take a step back and realize that they're at each other's throats over cartoons.

Please lock it indeed. This thread is going nowhere.

Posts like these are completely irrelevant, if you do not want to participate in the discussion then no one is forcing you too.

There's nothing to discuss here. The opinion of the original post clearly goes against what has been stated and was been accepted for years. At this point Freeza being at 12,000,000 is just an unpopular opinion that little no one on this forum agrees with.

[TheGmGoken]

Goken, Kental, Monkey King, and Oozaru

Can you leave this thread, your bad attempts at trolling the OP aren't good. Instead of tl;dr maybe you should read the post and then defend your own viewpoint instead of acting as if everything that you think is gospel.

While I do not agree with most of the arguments made in the OP it is still interesting to speculate about.

Did..you really sat we're trolling? Posting an image that shows power levels and nothing contradicts it(I admit Daizenshuu isn't the holy book of DBZ) and we're trolling? Please don't call us out for "trolling" if we aren't. I read the post already. I didn't act as if my thought was "fact". All I did was post a image. Like there is NO CHANCE that Freeza is EQUAL to Cell. It's been stated and proven MANY times. It took a SSj to beat Freeza and a SSj2 to beat CELL. There a clear difference in power, A very clear difference. If you think Cell is equal to Freeza in terms of power(Sorry if this comes out as rude) but you're absolutely WRONG.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Trolling? We're here posting proof that Freeza is in fact at 120,000,000, and we're being accused of trolling? Yeah I think this thread needs to be locked because it's not going anywhere.

[Bullza]

People take this show way too seriously.

1. Stop putting fictional numbers to fictional characters power level. It's utterly pointless.

2. Frieza is not as strong as Perfect Cell and nobody here or anywhere will agree with you.

[TheMightyOzaru]

People take this show way too seriously.

1. Stop putting fictional numbers to fictional characters power level. It's utterly pointless.

Freeza is stated to be at 120,000,000. We didn't pin that number to him. Also, people actually find some enjoyment in allocating numbers to characters to find out how strong they think they are. Numbers are a pretty simple way to determine how strong you think a character is so it's not pointless at all.

[khalildh]

If you aren't here to argue against the OP, what is your point. I didn't say your ideas were trollish, I said you are trolling this thread. Get off the thread if you can't formulate a decent argument against what the OP has pointed out.

And if you are relying on a guide book to tell you that Frieza power level is 120 million, what is the point? Even I can tell you why they would say Frieza's power level is 120 million. Sadly it seems like you can't even think of that by yourselves.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If you aren't here to argue against the OP, what is your point. I didn't say your ideas were trollish, I said you are trolling this thread. Get off the thread if you can't formulate a decent argument against what the OP has pointed out.

And if you are relying on a guide book to tell you that Freeza power level is 120 million, what is the point? Even I can tell you why they would say Freeza's power level is 120 million. Sadly it seems like you can't even think of that by yourselves.

Why the hell would I have to give an argument when a guide books says his Battle power clear as day? There's no point in discussing the why, when the guide book has been accepted for years. Sure I could tell you why his battle power is 120 million, but what's the point? There's no need for a long winded discussion when the answer to the question at hand is given to us on a silver platter. If it makes you feel better though, I'll tell you why. Goku has to have a battle power much greater than Vegeta's, whom after that Zenkai, far surpassed a BP of 1 million since Piccolo had a BP over a million prior. Vegeta's new battle power after that Zenkai also has to be greater than that of Freeza's third form since Vegeta had utmost confidence in his ability waste Freeza, even after transforming again. This would put Vegeta's battle power over 2 million. Freeza beat Vegeta with no trouble at all, so it's safe to assume Freeza is a lot stronger than even that initially. Freeza's battle power should be equal to or greater than 3 million. When Goku arrives, he is able to nonchalantly deflect Freeza's death beam barrage, so Goku must be around 3 million as well. The OP seems to think Goku was using Kaioken the entire time. This, however, is entirely false. Goku is just standing still, he can't possibly using Kaioken in millisecond bursts. That's just straight bull shit. Toriyama himself stated that SSJ was a 50 times increase so Goku, naturally, would be running a BP of 150,000,000 as a SSJ. There's obviously no way Freeza could be rocking a BP of 12,000,000 and still fight Goku. Everything matches what the Daizenshuu 7 says, so there's no point in arguing with it.

[khalildh]

If you aren't here to argue against the OP, what is your point. I didn't say your ideas were trollish, I said you are trolling this thread. Get off the thread if you can't formulate a decent argument against what the OP has pointed out.

And if you are relying on a guide book to tell you that Freeza power level is 120 million, what is the point? Even I can tell you why they would say Freeza's power level is 120 million. Sadly it seems like you can't even think of that by yourselves.

Why the hell would I have to give an argument when a guide books says his Battle power clear as day? There's no point in discussing the why, when the guide book has been accepted for years. Sure I could tell you why his battle power is 120 million, but what's the point? There's no need for a long winded discussion when the answer to the question at hand is given to us on a silver platter. If it makes you feel better though, I'll tell you why. Goku has to have a battle power much greater than Vegeta's, whom after that Zenkai, far surpassed a BP of 1 million since Piccolo had a BP over a million prior. Vegeta's new battle power after that Zenkai also has to be greater than that of Freeza's third form since Vegeta had utmost confidence in his ability waste Freeza, even after transforming again. This would put Vegeta's battle power over 2 million. Freeza beat Vegeta with no trouble at all, so it's safe to assume Freeza is a lot stronger than even that initially. Freeza's battle power should be equal to or greater than 3 million. When Goku arrives, he is able to nonchalantly deflect Freeza's death beam barrage, so Goku must be around 3 million as well. The OP seems to think Goku was using Kaioken the entire time. This, however, is entirely false. Goku is just standing still, he can't possibly using Kaioken in millisecond bursts. That's just straight bull shit. Toriyama himself stated that SSJ was a 50 times increase so Goku, naturally, would be running a BP of 150,000,000 as a SSJ. There's obviously no way Freeza could be rocking a BP of 12,000,000 and still fight Goku. Everything matches what the Daizenshuu 7 says, so there's no point in arguing with it.

Thank you very much, hypocrisy aside you have now entered into a discussion with the OP.

[SaiyaJedi]

Yegads. Enough, all of you.

I hereby declare this thread locked.

[VegettoEX]

Furthermore, I'm going to be issuing temporary and/or permanent bans to multiple accounts.

This nonsense is not welcome, both from forum regulars and newbies alike. All you have done is continue to prove the stereotype that battle power-obsessed fans are completely incapable of holding a conversation. You're proving that you're a joke, not to be taken seriously, and one to simply overlook and never given a second thought.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to come to the central, massive, English-language de facto database resource of accepted awesomeness and be checked off as a "worthless contributor" by everyone else reading.