Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

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Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by cesarcoronel07 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:49 pm

So I have almost every Dragon Ball, Z, Gt season and I was watching GT the other day and I always had this question, why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons? Doesn't she know Goku could turn SSJ4 so he wouldn't really need her help, I don't see the point of her going. Does she think she's on par with SSJ4 Goku? Why didn't Goku take Gohan and the others instead? I've also heard that Pan is stronger than Trunks, Goten, and Gohan maybe that's why Goku let Pan join him instead of the others?

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:59 pm

Cuz she's Pan. If you've been watching GT, you should know her character by now.
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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by cesarcoronel07 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:03 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Cuz she's Pan. If you've been watching GT, you should know her character by now.
I guess you got a point, she has her mother's confidence :D

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:04 pm

Even if Goku could turn SSJ4, she still knows her grandpa is facing a very real threat and wants to help and protect him. Yeah it backfires sometimes but she has good intentions. She loves her grandpa and doesent want to see him get hurt.
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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by cesarcoronel07 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:08 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Even if Goku could turn SSJ4, she still knows her grandpa is facing a very real threat and wants to help and protect him. Yeah it backfires sometimes but she has good intentions. She loves her grandpa and doesent want to see him get hurt.
Very true man, there's people that hate her because she acts tough and in the end she ends up crying, but I don't hate her

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:06 pm

Since this is in GF part of the website I don't have to be In-universe I guess.

Pan was a main character in GT. In fact she was the only person NOT named Goku to be a main character. So of course they will have two main characters go along with each other. Even thought they're stronger fighters that could help. Even though some of the Dragons......wasn't that strong.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:12 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Pan was a main character in GT. In fact she was the only person NOT named Goku to be a main character.
You forgot Trunks & Gill.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:15 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Pan was a main character in GT. In fact she was the only person NOT named Goku to be a main character.
You forgot Trunks & Gill.
Trunks was a main character for like 1 arc. Then he faded into the shadows. They only used Trunks because they needed a "smart" character to make logic on how to work a ship. I could only imagine how the series would have went had it just been Goku and Pan. Gill is apart of Pan(Not in literal terms). So he's an exception

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:21 pm

Not really, he was (along with Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Oob) relevant in the next 3 arcs as well, he didn't fade away.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:25 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Not really, he was (along with Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, and Oob) relevant in the next 3 arcs as well, he didn't fade away.
Yes he kinda did. He was put into the J.O.B. Squad until Goku gets there. Just like everyone else was. He was a minor character just like everyone else. TO make it seem better. He became a support character like everyone else.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:12 pm

She was just moral support for Goku.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by TheAldella » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:40 am

Um....Loli fanservice. I don't know.
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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by NitroEX » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:40 am

Probably because they just wanted Pan in everything to fill some prerequisite of having an annoying girl sidekick. I mean what wasn't she involved in?

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Blade » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:06 am

For me the big question is 'why didn't anyone else join the fight earlier?'

The GT writers appear to have had a complete inability to write for anyone other than Goku, and it seems that even the merest thought of juggling the extended character roster of the protagonists seemed to give them a real headache. Having Pan tag along with Goku was, in my eyes, merely just a limp attempt to make her seem relevant - with the only alternatives in their limited imaginations being to either kill her off (as they did Piccolo) or give her a place in the collective 'One-Hit-KO' group along with Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Vegeta.

I mean, really, to label the role of the other protagonists in GT as 'support cast' is to commit a disservice to the term.
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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Professor Gohan » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:35 pm

She was with him in combat the entire time from the beginning to that point in the series. She's bored and likes to have fun as well as how much she deeply cares for her Grampa Goku. It was really in-character for her to do so. She's never been one to sit around and sense the battles out with the others.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Li'l Lemmy » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:35 pm

Basically this. If the idea was to give Goku another character to exchange dialogue and react to situations with, then Pan was utilized responsibly. It was absolutely in character for her to invite herself along.


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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by FoolsGil » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:28 pm

Because GT is an awful series?

No that's too rude. It's because she is a writer's pet and not even Goku's own protegee can be written to take out a dragon or too.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Strife1 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:41 pm

Why did Goku have to fight all of the Shadow Dragons alone? Why didn't the other 198319083901 Z fighters team up and have epic battles rather than repetitive fight scenes with Goku and the enemy.

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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:40 pm

I've always seen it as an attempt to do more with her character, and wondered if maybe someone on the staff did like her quite a bit or something. I mean, GT is definitely 'Goku Time', but if you try and figure out who probably does the most besides him...it probably is Pan. She gets involved in every story arc just about (even if it's just to be smacked away), and the things she does don't really seem to be fodder to show how 'awesome' Goku is. Stuff like Gohan and Vegeta getting one-shotted, or even Vegeta gaining SS4, was all just to make Goku stronger so he could steal the focus again. With Pan, it was different than that at least.
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Re: Why did Pan join Goku to fight the Shadow Dragons?

Post by Bierhoff » Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:26 pm

Because she's strong and stubborn. And sneaky.

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