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FUNimation Blu-ray DBZ Movies (General Questions)

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:33 am

I hardly see them mentioned anywhere
What is quality and Remaster like?
What are they like compared to their DVD counter parts?
Why are they the only region locked DBZ Blu-Rays?

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Re: FUNimation Blu-Ray Movies

Post by Sin » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:45 am

1) Kanzenshuu's very own Tanooki did some comparisons between the Double Features and the DBox, they can be found here.

As you can probably see, the Funi versions have their typical remastering, up the contrast and saturation along with some noise removal, I don't think they're hideous though.

2) The Blu-Ray is a little sharper than it's DVD counterpart IMO, see for yourself.

3) I'm not sure if anyone knows why the movies are region locked, I don't anyway. :P

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:02 pm

Hmmm. Not too bad in all honesty but the DVD-Blu Ray comparison looks the same imo. Guess that works better in my favour lol

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Re: FUNimation Blu-Ray Movies

Post by kei17 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:09 pm

Sin wrote:As you can probably see, the Funi versions have their typical remastering, up the contrast and saturation along with some noise removal, I don't think they're hideous though.
Speaking of the contrast, to be fair, their remaster of TV special 2 has nice dark details. Cropping ruins everything, though.

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Re: FUNimation Blu-Ray Movies

Post by Sin » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:36 pm

kei17 wrote:
Sin wrote:As you can probably see, the Funi versions have their typical remastering, up the contrast and saturation along with some noise removal, I don't think they're hideous though.
Speaking of the contrast, to be fair, their remaster of TV special 2 has nice dark details. Cropping ruins everything, though.

Double Feature
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Dragon Box
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That's interesting to see, I'm fairly surprised at how dark the DBox looks considering it has an almost 'washed out' brightness to it when compared to the remasters.

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Re: FUNimation Blu-Ray Movies

Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:32 pm

kei17 wrote:Speaking of the contrast, to be fair, their remaster of TV special 2 has nice dark details. Cropping ruins everything, though.

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Dragon Box
The DF screen looks a lot better than DB and even being in 16:9 AR it still manages to display more detail whereas the DB has obvious detail loss and the colours are also improved imo.

Cropping doesn't really take out anything important at all as anyone can see.
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Re: FUNimation Blu-Ray Movies

Post by Sin » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:58 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
kei17 wrote:Speaking of the contrast, to be fair, their remaster of TV special 2 has nice dark details. Cropping ruins everything, though.

Double Feature

Dragon Box
The DF screen looks a lot better than DB and even being in 16:9 AR it still manages to display more detail whereas the DB has obvious detail loss and the colours are also improved imo.

Cropping doesn't really take out anything important at all as anyone can see.
But what is 'important' in that shot? It's just a shot but it's also part of the original material, if you're willing to cut unimportant bits from shots you may aswell crop everything that isn't vital to the point of the scene. To show my point here is a shot from the GT special:

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But of course all we need for the scene to deliver is to see that Pan and Goku Jr. are talking, so we can crop all of the 'unimportant' stuff out.

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There we go, I even 'remastered' it. Not to seem a jerk, but that's just my own view.

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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:07 pm

Come on now. If you're going to crop, at least crop it into a standard aspect ratio for common devices. Since smartphones are the standard, and we're all too lazy to turn our phones to a landscape layout, we should all collectively go with that for a new standard. That's what everyone does and holds in their hands, right? That's the future. I want the future. I want everything formatted for my lazy, uninformed, futuristic self.

Here you go. Here's your new DBGT TV special, properly formatted for everyone's iPhone in a 2:3 Tallscreen™ aspect ratio. You're welcome.

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It's perfect. No details missing at all. Works for everything in the past and everything going forward. Oh, wait...

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Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:32 pm

kei17 wrote:Speaking of the contrast, to be fair, their remaster of TV special 2 has nice dark details. Cropping ruins everything, though.
I dunno. I never really thought the cropping was terrible with the TV specials. Even in your shots there seems to be a bit more horizontal footage than usual in the DF. I guess on principle it sucks, but I personally kinda think that in this instance, the colors make up for it.
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Re: FUNimation Blu-ray DBZ Movies (General Questions)

Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:25 pm

You guys are now just exaggerating on the cropping, the crop that FUNimation did kept all of the necessary for the picture without eliminating any important parts.

When Toei Animation crops the films and Kai to 16:9 AR it's perfectly fine but if it's FUNimation then it's time to hammer them down.
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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:29 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:When Toei Animation crops the films and Kai to 16:9 AR it's perfectly fine but if it's FUNimation then it's time to hammer them down.
No, it wasn't.

I was very loud and used lots of curses when it was announced that "Dragon Box: The Movies" was going to be cropped. If anyone wants to dig up my post, it would be a good laugh.

I was also critical of Kai being cropped in Japan, and was very happy to see the Blu-ray version released in its original 4:3.

You're making up scenarios that don't exist.
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Re: FUNimation Blu-ray DBZ Movies (General Questions)

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:50 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:When Toei Animation crops the films and Kai to 16:9 AR it's perfectly fine but if it's FUNimation then it's time to hammer them down.
I was very loud and used lots of curses when it was announced that "Dragon Box: The Movies" was going to be cropped.
For clarification's sake, is the cropping an issue for the movies? I know it's a problem for the TV series proper because it was animated with 4:3 TV screens in mind, but I thought it was OK for the movies because they were intended for movie theaters in Japan and, therefore, were animated with a 16:9 aspect ratio in mind. Am I misunderstanding?
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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:52 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:For clarification's sake, is the cropping an issue for the movies? I know it's a problem for the TV series proper because it was animated with 4:3 TV screens in mind, but I thought it was OK for the movies because they were intended for movie theaters in Japan and, therefore, were animated with a 16:9 aspect ratio in mind. Am I misunderstanding?
Nope, you're not misunderstanding.

My viewpoint is that they were all animated and produced at 4:3, and even if there was an understanding they would be cropped, there's still that 20% of cool animation there that exists and would be nice to have. Just a "principle of the matter" kind of thing.
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Re: FUNimation Blu-ray DBZ Movies (General Questions)

Post by SSJ3_Gogeta » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:58 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:When Toei Animation crops the films and Kai to 16:9 AR it's perfectly fine but if it's FUNimation then it's time to hammer them down.
No, it wasn't.

I was very loud and used lots of curses when it was announced that "Dragon Box: The Movies" was going to be cropped. If anyone wants to dig up my post, it would be a good laugh.

I was also critical of Kai being cropped in Japan, and was very happy to see the Blu-ray version released in its original 4:3.

You're making up scenarios that don't exist.
Here's a link to the post that you were referring to (I think).
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... f=7&t=2371

As for the blurays, I don't own them but from what I've seen, they don't look too bad (cropping aside).

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Re: FUNimation Blu-ray DBZ Movies (General Questions)

Post by PhoenixEX » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:18 pm

What about the cropping on the left and right of the images, I mean, that's like a whole 4% of image right there. I hate that FUNi crops the bottom and top but I always liked that extra side image...
Maybe TOEI should release the series and films without the cropping on the top and bottom AND the left and right.
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Re: FUNimation Blu-ray DBZ Movies (General Questions)

Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:50 am

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1. 4:3
2. 16:9
3. Proper (Unfortunately, round corners are not HD, so we will never see a release like this...)

They cannot properly frame the top or the bottom of the image without showing round corners. They will definitely not show them. What does it mean?

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