Gogeta Compared To Vegito

[MDSTSSJ]

Goku and Vegeta wouldnt be caught dead doing this.

Spoiler:

Ja ja what a perfect picture for this Goten/Trunks misnamed " rivalry thing ". That's one of the photos that reaffirms that those 2 are far from being true rivals.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta's disapproval of that act is so great that several body parts, including his mouth, fled in disgust.

[khalildh]

but if Goku and Vegeta are 2x their sons. It would be 4x when multiplied.

What kind of multiplication are you using for fusion?
Because using a basic (a+b)x# wouldn't do that.

If for example
fusion dance - 100x

Goten and Trunks - 1
(1+1)x100=200

Goku and Vegeta - 2
(2+2)x100=400

I was using a simple a x b for my above example.

Also using 1x1 in your example messes up the math because of the special properties the number 1 has.

Goten and Trunks - 2
(2x2)x100=400

Goku and Vegeta - 2
(4x4)x100=1600

or

Goten and Trunks - 1
(2x2)x100=400

Goku and Vegeta - 2
(8+8)x100=6400

[rereboy]

Ja ja what a perfect picture for this Goten/Trunks misnamed " rivalry thing ". That's one of the photos that reaffirms that those 2 are far from being true rivals.

Rivals is different than enemies. Somehow you believe that in order for someone to be a rival to another, that person must act like an enemy to that person.

Notice the definitions:

ri·val (rvl)
n.
1. One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.

en·e·my (n-m)
n. pl. en·e·mies
1. One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rival
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/enemy

Being friends has nothing to do with being a rival or not being a rival.

If you are familiar with Hajime and Ippo, the relationship between Sendo and Ippo is a perfect example of that.

I agree, Goten and Trunks are definitely friends way before they are rivals. Which is the exact opposite for their fathers.

Friends can't compete with each other and be rivals...?

Of course they can, but then again if thats the case the two people would be friends before they are rivals meaning they would would rather go out for a drink or something before they start racking their brains on how to beat one another.

Goten and Trunks' fight in the tournament was intense but remember that was a competition and even then in the days leading up to the Budokai and the days that followed Goten didn't really care that Trunks was stronger than him and I'm sure Vegeta's son would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot.

The kids would rather go to an amusement park together way before they even think about how they're gonna one up each other. Which is the exact opposite of Goku and Vegeta's relationship.

Goku and Vegeta wouldnt be caught dead doing this.

Spoiler:

So? All that shows is that they are also good friends. It doesn't mean that, regarding fighting, they aren't rivals who try to surpass each other. It just shows us that:

A) they don't care about fighting as much as their fathers, and
B) they aren't rivals AS BIG as their fathers.

Besides, you are forgetting that the only reason why Goku and Vegeta don't have a similar kind of relationship is because of Vegeta's attitude. Goku wouldn't mind in the least if he had a similar kind of relationship with Vegeta as their kids but he can't because of Vegeta's loner, grumpy and proud attitude (which, by the way, has nothing to do with Goku being a rival or not, he wouldn't have that kind of relationship with anyone).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku & Vegeta turned into friends after the Boo arc, just look at them during the 28th TB. However, they didn't stop being rivals.

[rereboy]

Goku & Vegeta turned into friends after the Boo arc, just look at them during the 28th TB. However, they didn't stop being rivals.

Exactly. The only thing that changed was Vegeta's attitude which became more humble.

[dbzfan7]

I believe rival was more associated with power. Goku and Vegeta are equals in power (excluding transformations) who constantly push each other to get stronger...I don't believe in rival as a mindset...or else Vegetto would be a lot weaker when the hardcore rivalry is put to rest.

That and Gotenks like always is vastly underrated because he's a brat.

[Kakashi]

Saying SSjin 3 Gogeta is weaker than Gohan-Boo is lol

Kaioshin says Vegetto is strong because of Goku and Vegeta hence, SSjin Gogeta would be a beast as well but still weaker than Vegetto because the gap between the dance and the potara is massive iMO. Base Vegetto ~ SSjin Gogeta is implied by Kaioshin

SSjin Gogeta ~ Ultimate Gohan IMO

[MDSTSSJ]

Rivals is different than enemies. Somehow you believe that in order for someone to be a rival to another, that person must act like an enemy to that person.

Being friends has nothing to do with being a rival or not being a rival.

What? I never sugested that a rival means act like enemy meu amigo and personally I can't be " friend " with my rival, I can't hanging out with my rival, I can't share anything with my rival, never because is weak to be " friend " of my rival in terms of competition! but yes, I can shake hands with my rival, talk with him, mocking him, pissed him, etc and that does not make it my friend.

What friendship means to you? Real Friendship means share together, go out together, be in good and bad situations, sharing secrets, etc. Goten and Trunks have all that and that's why I think they have a real friendship and are far from being true rival like his fathers.

[Cursed Lemon]

I'm really inclined to think that this "rival" thing is of absolutely no consequence when it has zero effect on the fusion...

[rereboy]

Rivals is different than enemies. Somehow you believe that in order for someone to be a rival to another, that person must act like an enemy to that person.

Being friends has nothing to do with being a rival or not being a rival.

What? I never sugested that a rival means act like enemy meu amigo and personally I can't be " friend " with my rival, I can't hanging out with my rival, I can't share anything with my rival, never because is weak to be " friend " of my rival in terms of competition! but yes, I can shake hands with my rival, talk with him, mocking him, pissed him, etc and that does not make it my friend.

What friendship means to you? Real Friendship means share together, go out together, be in good and bad situations, sharing secrets, etc. Goten and Trunks have all that and that's why I think they have a real friendship and are far from being true rival like his fathers.

Once again, being rivals has nothing to do with friendship. A rival can be a good friend or not. He can be friendly or not. He can be downright antagonistic towards his rival or not. None of this would make him stop being a rival or would make him a rival.

A rival is someone that tries to surpass us, who competes with us in a certain activity. That is a rival. What those rivals do when they are not in that activity or what their attitude towards each other is when they are not in that activity is pretty much irrelevant for them being a rival or not. At most it just helps classify what kind of rivals they are.

[goku the krump dancer]

A rival is someone that tries to surpass us, who competes with us in a certain activity.

And I see none of this from Goten and Trunks, kids play fight (play showdown as Goten put it) all the time. The World Tournament is a competition so obviously they were going to give it all they have so to speak. If you and your family compete against one another in a potato sack race where the winner gets a prize you all are now COMPETING against each other to only to laugh about it later. Thats how the kids' fight in the tournament seemed to go down to me. Going by this you're saying that Tenshinhan and Future Trunks or Krillin and Piccolo are rivals in Movie 9 because they were up against each other and the whole goal was for one of them to beat the other.

Theres a difference between rivals and competitors albeit a slight one. A competitor is someone you're going up against with no real emotions behind it, you do it because you want the prize at the end usually a material substance. A rival is an opponent you have with much more emotional connection and hostility towards. Goten and Trunks were never hostile towards one another and I really shouldnt have to say anything about Goku and Vegeta.

In a way you cant really compare Goten and Trunks' relationship to Goku and Vegeta's because they're based off two different things. And because the kids lose their interest in fighting that pretty much diminishes what ever small rivalry they had going on completely.

[dario03]

I was using a simple a x b for my above example.

Also using 1x1 in your example messes up the math because of the special properties the number 1 has.

Goten and Trunks - 2
(2x2)x100=400

Goku and Vegeta - 2
(4x4)x100=1600

or

Goten and Trunks - 1
(2x2)x100=400

Goku and Vegeta - 2
(8+8)x100=6400

Ok, never seen someone use a x b for fusion dance though.

And not sure why you mention 1x1 properties for my example. I can see why it would be a problem with a x b but the example I showed wouldn't be affected.

[VegettoEX]

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